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Desdi 09-04-2023 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by DontCallMeCindy (Post 3692333)
The CBA is crystal clear on this subject: it's first-come, first-serve--period. It doesn't specify any exceptions or modifiers regarding what methods or means a pilot uses to be "the first."

If the company dips their toe into defining what methods are "acceptable" vs. "not acceptable" re: picking up trips on Flica, they're going to end up spending hundreds of hours of time and effort (and thus money) refereeing disputes between individual pilots who are using various methods to gain a temporal edge.

I've never used a bot in my life, nor would I ever (too afraid of being accused of lacking integrity and getting into trouble). But I completely understand why the company is staying out of the weeds on this subject, especially when they don't even own the IT infrastructure on which any of these transactions take place.

And in lieu of all of that they’ll just fire said pilot for being logged into flica while their “bot” on the ground picks something up!

Bluedriver 09-05-2023 03:42 AM


Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3692469)
And in lieu of all of that they’ll just fire said pilot for being logged into flica while their “bot” on the ground picks something up!

As they SHOULD.

avi8orco 09-06-2023 04:22 PM

Meantime in MCO when premium drops….

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DontCallMeCindy 09-07-2023 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3692246)
Absolutely, 1/3 trip rig, 6hr min daily guar would force more productivity

Wouldn’t you also end up with way more min rest overnights and horrible, SWA-style pairings where you’re constantly doing exhausting 4 leg days?

Plenty of folks here do not want that—productivity isn’t the only singular reason we come to work. Many of us actually like the chill 24 hour island overnights and miss stacking those easy 13:30 3 days.

Softpayman 09-07-2023 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by DontCallMeCindy (Post 3693759)
Wouldn’t you also end up with way more min rest overnights and horrible, SWA-style pairings where you’re constantly doing exhausting 4 leg days?

Plenty of folks here do not want that—productivity isn’t the only singular reason we come to work. Many of us actually like the chill 24 hour island overnights and miss stacking those easy 13:30 3 days.

There are significant differences between ours and LUV’s flying. I don’t think you could produce many 4 leg days with our network. LUV benefits from always having another short segment to tack on to add productivity. The bulk of our Airbus hours are transcon and NE to FL.

Tranquility 09-07-2023 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 3693777)
There are significant differences between ours and LUV’s flying. I don’t think you could produce many 4 leg days with our network. LUV benefits from always having another short segment to tack on to add productivity. The bulk of our Airbus hours are transcon and NE to FL.

Wait till you add in our (NK’s) route map…. We used to have cush 1 & 2 leg days with really long overnights, then our route map filled in, and penalty laps were added to what were 1-leg days…

BananaHammock 09-07-2023 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3693781)
Wait till you add in our (NK’s) route map…. We used to have cush 1 & 2 leg days with really long overnights, then our route map filled in, and penalty laps were added to what were 1-leg days…

Yeah ! I love BDL and AUS penalty laps out of MCO on the last day !

Bluedriver 09-07-2023 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by DontCallMeCindy (Post 3693759)
Wouldn’t you also end up with way more min rest overnights and horrible, SWA-style pairings where you’re constantly doing exhausting 4 leg days?

Plenty of folks here do not want that—productivity isn’t the only singular reason we come to work. Many of us actually like the chill 24 hour island overnights and miss stacking those easy 13:30 3 days.

I think having 1/3 or 1/3.25 TAFB rig without adding the 6 hour min day would be better, partly for that reason. A financial disincentive to make every trip start early and end late.

I've seen a lot of trips that were not commutable, but could have been if they reordered the flying. Putting the red-eyes at the end of the trip instead of in the middle for example. They used to be mostly at the end (east coast bases) except for the double 13:30s as you say (precombined or pilot combined). Then they started putting the red-eyes in the middle of the trip, making you end late, while still only paying 20 hours, because it wouldn't trigger any more TAFB rig.

Have a stronger TAFB rig and there is a financial disincentive to make trips longer FOR NO REASON.
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Gangsta 11-07-2023 06:03 PM

Came across flicabiddingbot.com

Wonder how it works.

ProPilotBlue 11-10-2023 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by DontCallMeCindy (Post 3693759)
Wouldn’t you also end up with way more min rest overnights and horrible, SWA-style pairings where you’re constantly doing exhausting 4 leg days?

Plenty of folks here do not want that—productivity isn’t the only singular reason we come to work. Many of us actually like the chill 24 hour island overnights and miss stacking those easy 13:30 3 days.

Amen! I do not like "productive" trips like SWA. Sure, you make a ton of credit in a short amount of time, but it's exhausting. It takes me an entire day after the trip to feel normal again.


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