The only real issue I have with Irv’s site is that it was supposed to be real names only. I think that makes sense for that site, but he allows half a dozen people to post under other names. If most people have to use their real names, everyone should have to use real names.

It is VERY concerning at times.

Some are clearly unstable.

Not to get into a whole big thing, but, the country has gone so far left that people in the middle are now far right. Don’t hate.

Not surprised you see it that way. In reality, most of the citizens are on the spectrum somewhere in the middle, middle-left, middle-right. But there is also too many who have been radicalized to the far left and far right.

If you can't see that big picture, you should now know where you fit in.

😁

I get what you’re saying. Entrenchment of opinions. What I don’t like is canceling. No matter how stupid.

I have a sneaking suspicion you’re not nearly as “in the middle” as you think you are. :p

That said, and the main point is, who cares. You’re allowed to be left, right, center, upside down… just don’t be a d**k and don’t keep talking about it when I ask politely not to discuss politics on the flight deck. It’s not nearly as big a deal as people like to make it.

trump Capt trump and bluesantorm? :)

Because we have a political and media system that rewards the extremes (as you know)

You are right the majority of the country is in the middle that’s why you see a constant swing left and right.

I guarantee you if you took a group of 20 regular Americans and put them in a room and said come up with a plan to fix our problems they would do better than any political group because they would actually be interested in solutions.

Nailed it...

I don’t wear a “he/him” pin, if that’s what you mean.

… there’s pins?! Are they free?

😂

Filler

I don't remember it ever being a requirement to use real names on his site...nobody has "to use their real names". You seem to be misinformed. Personally, I think usernames and moderation are the way to go (kind of like this site).

As I recall, it wasn’t a hard and fast requirement, but is was strongly requested for everyone to sign up with their name. And you can’t change your username once you’ve signed up using your real name. A mod has to do it. I agree with you though. Screen names and moderation are best. Here’s a post from Irv discussing names though:

Real Names

03-01-2018, 11:39 PM
This is the post where I shame all you guys using screen names.

This site was created to be something different. The tagline is community / comradery. It's a lot easier to create an actual community of people if we use our real names. So far the tone on this site has been fantastic. I have only had to "moderate" one person for being inappropriate. I think people on this site get it and know that it's supposed to be different than the Bluepilot site. Using real names goes a long way in keeping the tone on the up and up. This doesn't mean we can't vent our frustrations occasionally! I have and so have others.....fairly heatedly at times.

Many of you are using your real names. Me and the others doing the same appreciate it. I've found it fun seeing people I've met on this site in the real world. It helps turn this fairly impersonal profession into one of actual recognition and acknowledgement. It allows us to be a team....whatever our objective is!

So to all you screen names out there (I know who you are but nobody else does), please consider dropping me or Scott a PM. We will change it through the admin console.

Thanks.

I'm willing to bet that you're the type who fears any sort of woke/left wing ideology, but far right idea's are fine because it's in "Team red tie". Far right, far left are both equally as scary. My point is that BP is full of far right wingers, quite a few of whom I've flown with and have had to unfortunately listen to their unsolicited political thoughts on 5+hr long flights (Yes, you're extremely oppressed making $300k/yr with 2 homes and a brand new boat and brand new cars) who are just as brainwashed as the far lefties yet refuse to believe it. I signed up for BP not knowing what it was and have steered clear of that site. JBUpilots is great, with actual conversations going on about the industry and company. I mostly lurk but there's good info both here and there. BP, if discovered by the "mainstream" press, would have a field day with it.

That’s an awful lot of judgment.

I enjoy Irv's site. I took a break for the last 6 months because I got tired of the over moderation. I still disagree with it, but it's better than here or BP. I like Irv and I kind of get it. With that said I really wish he went all real names. I bet 99% of you puss*es on here wouldn't say in person what you post online.

He's right dude. Completely right.

No he’s not. That captain probably makes way more than $300k. 😆

There is a middle, and it's easy to know when you're in the middle, because you can identify and dislike both extremes. If you can't identify and dislike an extreme position and/or group of senators/congressman on BOTH sides, YOU are the problem.

Also possibly true. 😁

You are showing your true colors more and more.

This is inconsistant with my experience. It hasn’t happened here yet, thankfully, but at my last carrier I had multiple instances where I had CA’s go off on long, angry rants, many times despite my pleas to “please shut up, I dont want to talk about this,” and 1000% of the time they were on, you guessed it, the right/far-right side of the spectrum. And no, this wasn’t ”normal” 10 years ago.

I find people like this to be insufferable in large part because they not only think that everyone else is the problem, but that the problem needs to be corrected or eliminated. They think I need to be convinced to think like they do, meanwhile I just want them to shut up about it. For real, quit making your stupid politics that aren’t even your own original ideas such a huge part of your life. Learn to talk about travel or sports or your dog or anything else. If you tried being the least bit positive, maybe your life situation wouldn’t seem so hopelessly dire. We have a great job, the views are spectacular, quit ruining it with your “where my country gone” garbage and just let me enjoy my coffee.

What’d you hear that on a podcast 2 weeks ago and now you tramp around pretending you’re some kind of political scholar? For all the “don’t tell me what to do, I’m a free American” drek these people spout, they sure do spend an awful lot of time going around telling other people what they need to do and how they need to think.

There you go telling him what to do :D:D

I believe it’s called “man-splaining”.

Really? Left wing ideology taken to the extreme, is called socialism, or if authoritarian in nature Leninist Communism. Far right ideology is called Theocracy, Plutocracy, or if authoritarian in nature, Fascism.

For examples of current leftist states you can look at Cuba, Venezuela, Norway, and Finland and Sweden.

For examples of conservative countries see Hungary, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Russia.

Fascism is the merger of corporations and the state. You know like big tech, big pharma, and the MSM working in lockstep with the democrat party.

I’ve never seen anything more authoritarian in this country than Mask and Vax mandates, all done by democrats. And don’t forget a vax card to eat in a restaurant (but no ID to vote). That my friend, is exercising authority.

How long to hold a line in Jkf a320 for a new hire right now?

Your definition of fascism is incorrect. I often hear it from right wingers because they don't like to hear how close they are ideologically to historic fascists.

BMW, Mercedes,Lufthansa, Mitsubishi, and Fiat were all private companies inside fascist countries. No merger took place. What does constitute fascism looks a lot like one party and it ain't the dems.

Here is a checklist. See if you notice any similarities to what Fox News broadcasts.

1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

Um, no. It’s a figurative merger. The definition was changed to fit your newspeak narrative. And by the way, Nazi means German SOCIALIST workers party.

And I don’t watch Fox News.

What in tarnation is happening here? I think this is just the thing Irv was hoping to avoid 😅

Oh its figurative. I see. So like the government was used to look after the interests of big business? Like crushing labor unions and stuff? Hmmm who does that sound like?

And yes socialist appears in the name of the Nazi party. That must be why the Nazi brown shirts first came to prominence battling leftists in the streets of Munich. Because they had soooo much in common with the Marxists. Lol. And wouldn't a merger of corporate power and the government be kind the OPPOSITE of socialism?

The Nazis put socialist in their name to make them seem more palatable for elections.They were socialist in the same way the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic.


The only place I ever hear that Fascists aren't a right wing ideology is from far right wing sources. Its pretty common knowlege, but it does kinda make Trumpists look bad.

I appreciate the spirited debate. See above