Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516232)

Oh its figurative. I see. So like the government was used to look after the interests of big business? Like crushing labor unions and stuff? Hmmm who does that sound like?

And yes socialist appears in the name of the Nazi party. That must be why the Nazi brown shirts first came to prominence battling leftists in the streets of Munich. Because they had soooo much in common with the Marxists. Lol. And wouldn't a merger of corporate power and the government be kind the OPPOSITE of socialism?

The Nazis put socialist in their name to make them seem more palatable for elections.They were socialist in the same way the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic.


The only place I ever hear that Fascists aren't a right wing ideology is from far right wing sources. Its pretty common knowlege, but it does kinda make Trumpists look bad.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516232)

Oh its figurative. I see. So like the government was used to look after the interests of big business? Like crushing labor unions and stuff? Hmmm who does that sound like?

And yes socialist appears in the name of the Nazi party. That must be why the Nazi brown shirts first came to prominence battling leftists in the streets of Munich. Because they had soooo much in common with the Marxists. Lol. And wouldn't a merger of corporate power and the government be kind the OPPOSITE of socialism?

The Nazis put socialist in their name to make them seem more palatable for elections.They were socialist in the same way the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic.


The only place I ever hear that Fascists aren't a right wing ideology is from far right wing sources. Its pretty common knowlege, but it does kinda make Trumpists look bad.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3516305)

Fascism refers to a way of organizing society with an emphasis of autocratic government, dictatorial leadership, and the suppression of opposition.

'Fascism': The Word’s Meaning and History | Merriam-Webster

Sure sounds like the progressive left to me. Everything I hear from the right is about freedom, states rights over federalism, your right to think as you wish, and to not tell others how to think, or to try to cancel them when they say something you don't like....

Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3516160)

You do that when someone is kunt-fused.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516323)

A yes freedom. Like marry who you like? Have any kind of consensual sex you like? Bodily autonomy? Freedom to organize? Honoring the results of elections? Rule of law, and not placing any one man above it? Freedom to consume whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else? Freedom from a large and oppressive police force? Right to privacy? Freedom from having one religion dictate government policy and being able to have your kids attend public school without being indoctrinated into that religion?

These are all things the GOP stands against. Maybe you don't, but the party does.

Conservatives love to claim that they have a monopoly on freedom, but they definitely do not. While the dems lean towards large government social programs, conservatives brand of large government concerns me a lot more.

I'm gonna leave it with this. Left leaning folk have the spectrum of authoritarian communism to learn from. They need to always look at their policies with the example of how very wrong it can go if they get no push back and refuse to deal with the other side. Right wingers similarly have theocratic and fascist regemes to learn from. There is and continues to be such a thing as right wing extremism. You need to look at your policies closely and learn from history. Step one is opening a history book.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516323)

A yes freedom. Like marry who you like? Have any kind of consensual sex you like? Bodily autonomy? Freedom to organize? Honoring the results of elections? Rule of law, and not placing any one man above it? Freedom to consume whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else? Freedom from a large and oppressive police force? Right to privacy? Freedom from having one religion dictate government policy and being able to have your kids attend public school without being indoctrinated into that religion?

These are all things the GOP stands against. Maybe you don't, but the party does.

Conservatives love to claim that they have a monopoly on freedom, but they definitely do not. While the dems lean towards large government social programs, conservatives brand of large government concerns me a lot more.

I'm gonna leave it with this. Left leaning folk have the spectrum of authoritarian communism to learn from. They need to always look at their policies with the example of how very wrong it can go if they get no push back and refuse to deal with the other side. Right wingers similarly have theocratic and fascist regemes to learn from. There is and continues to be such a thing as right wing extremism. You need to look at your policies closely and learn from history. Step one is opening a history book.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516220)

Your definition of fascism is incorrect. I often hear it from right wingers because they don't like to hear how close they are ideologically to historic fascists.

BMW, Mercedes,Lufthansa, Mitsubishi, and Fiat were all private companies inside fascist countries. No merger took place. What does constitute fascism looks a lot like one party and it ain't the dems.

Here is a checklist. See if you notice any similarities to what Fox News broadcasts.

1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

Originally Posted by IrvW (Post 3516506)

I want to redact my characterization of my old moderator as being “too reactionary on the left”. It was an unkind thing to say and based off a single conversation I had had with him during a difficult time. He put a lot of effort into helping me run the board and was excited about its possibility of further uniting the pilot group in a mature and level headed way.

The truth is that it’s hard to moderate and then not be labeled as being “against” one side or the other.

Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3516574)

The only thing we don’t like is when you guys over moderate. Let people have heated discussions and opinions. Don’t throw the flag until it’s necessary.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3516504)

It would be good form to at least credit Umberto Eco when you use his “practical list”

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3516556)

If it helps, I can attest to this as well :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Gearswinger (Post 3517026)

Does anyone have any thought on airplane related stuff?


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Originally Posted by Virgalask330 (Post 3517194)

Ironic that this thread getting de-railed actually proves Irvs point. Ha

Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3516964)

No Finland, Norway and Sweden are not examples of leftist states. One is right of center and the other just elected a far right government. All three have consistently rejected the socialist label that people like you love to use on them as an example.

Russia, Cuba and Venezuela share more in common than the others you listed.

You also left out Japan as a conservative country as well and you could have added Italy, Poland and Czechia as well. But let's be honest you just randomly picked them.



You already proven like most emotionally driven lefties you don't have a clue what you're talking about with your false statements about Norway, Sweden and Finland. It's also funny you had to cry about foxnews like the good little sheep you are. Its like you people all read off the same script. The list you posted is from an Italian socialist. Something you don't seem to understand.

Either way fascism like most authoritarian ideologies came from a leftist that just couldnt stand that people didn't see thing his way. Much like modern woke purists we have running around.

Learn your history and you won't look so stupid. Anyone you probably want to go back to clutching your pearls over the liberal 9/11 known as the "Jan 6th".




They also imprisoned people of their own ideology that could be a threat. It wasn't about ideology it was about securing power from those that would be a threat to them.


Your bias is showing. It probably comes from the fact you've only ever loved in the United States.
Body autonomy? Like those of the unborn?
Election results? Like those in Georgia or the 2000 presidental election?
The only indoctrination in public schools comes from people like you and the fact that you don't want to allow school choices for people who don't want to send their kids to failing schools. People like you want federal control over everything. That's more authoritarian than letting states decide their own policies.

You have been heavily indoctrinated by the liberal media. Maybe turn off MSNBC.
People like you are useful idiots and Democrats feed off your emotional driven ignorance. You continue to fear that Boogeyman.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3517520)

So, just a thought experiment. If the proud boys somehow took all branches of government, would that bring about ultimate freedom and liberty? You know since there is no such thing as right wing extremism?

Just to be clear, in your mind US neo nazis and the kkk vote democrat, correct? I mean they would be left leaning in this fantasy of yours.

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3517554)

KKK were democrat “shock troops”. Much like present day Antifa.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3517625)

Yes, back in 1890 when the democrats were still the party of the confederacy. Which party has the confederate flag at its events today?


Again, just to be clear, in your mind neo nazis voted for Obama.

I also want to make the point that I dont think the majority of republicans are fascist or neo nazis. My point is that right wing extremeism is real after someone posted that it doesnt exist. I feel like I triggered a bunch of you.

Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 3517864)

Such an interesting, productive dialogue makes you wonder why any forum would want to prohibit or moderate political discussions. I can tell hearts and minds were really converted.

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3517640)

No, Neo marxists voted for Obama. But that doesn’t mean much. I don’t get triggered. That’s a generation after me.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3517949)

Well, based on the popular vote numbers, there are more "Neo Marxists" than republicans in the USA.

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3517951)

Bonehead remark. Like the other poster said that Neo nazis vote Republican, neo marxists vote democrat. They aren’t an enormous block of people but they exist. I voted for barack too. Big mistake.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3517982)

I voted for McCain and Romney but apparently Im a huge leftist now because I dare criticise the right in any way. Oh well, I guess I better start watching MSNBC now. ROFL.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3518046)

I changed my mind, if Irv doesn't allow this crap, I'm in.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3518046)

I changed my mind, if Irv doesn't allow this crap, I'm in.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3517982)

I voted for McCain and Romney but apparently Im a huge leftist now because I dare criticise the right in any way. Oh well, I guess I better start watching MSNBC now. ROFL.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3518440)

I mean there is criticism and there is calling people a fascist. Big middle ground there.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3519830)

Dude. Where did I call anyone a fascist? My whole point is that there are extremes in BOTH parties and that fascists are one form of extreme on the right. Thats it. Somebody stated earlier that there was "no such thing as right wing extremism". If you pointed out that communists occupy a similar position on the left I doubt many on that side would get mad of feel insulted, as it probably doesnt apply to them. For some reason right wingers get really upset about it as if you are talking about them personally.

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3519834)

Because our friends on the left have overused calling all right leaning folks racists so now they resort to calling all fascist. It’s insulting, I’m not sure why one wouldn’t see that.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3519830)

Dude. Where did I call anyone a fascist? My whole point is that there are extremes in BOTH parties and that fascists are one form of extreme on the right. Thats it. Somebody stated earlier that there was "no such thing as right wing extremism". If you pointed out that communists occupy a similar position on the left I doubt many on that side would get mad of feel insulted, as it probably doesnt apply to them. For some reason right wingers get really upset about it as if you are talking about them personally.