Why I'm Voting No
07-05-2018, 08:08 AM
#11
Saab Saab Phooey!
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Set Hundo
Posts: 479
Thank you Tom. I agree wholeheartedly.
I just can't believe they rolled over so easily on OE pairings. I all hear from the videos is how ALPA tried hard for something and the company held firm on "NO". It would have been refreshing to hear ALPA say that the company really wanted to take flying at the last minute from the FO bid packets, but ALPA held firm on "NO".
I can't believe there is NO language guaranteeing that we will be notified in a timely manner exactly which trips are being taken from us. How about if the company doesn't meet the deadline, they don't get to take anything after it. That would pretty much guarantee an expeditious response from the company.
"To the maximum extent possible" is meaningless. The "maximum" might be 100%, it might be 0%.
I just can't believe they rolled over so easily on OE pairings. I all hear from the videos is how ALPA tried hard for something and the company held firm on "NO". It would have been refreshing to hear ALPA say that the company really wanted to take flying at the last minute from the FO bid packets, but ALPA held firm on "NO".
I can't believe there is NO language guaranteeing that we will be notified in a timely manner exactly which trips are being taken from us. How about if the company doesn't meet the deadline, they don't get to take anything after it. That would pretty much guarantee an expeditious response from the company.
"To the maximum extent possible" is meaningless. The "maximum" might be 100%, it might be 0%.
07-05-2018, 08:12 AM
#12
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by LoudFastRules
Thank you Tom. I agree wholeheartedly.
I just can't believe they rolled over so easily on OE pairings. I all hear from the videos is how ALPA tried hard for something and the company held firm on "NO". It would have been refreshing to hear ALPA say that the company really wanted to take flying at the last minute from the FO bid packets, but ALPA held firm on "NO".
I can't believe there is NO language guaranteeing that we will be notified in a timely manner exactly which trips are being taken from us. How about if the company doesn't meet the deadline, they don't get to take anything after it. That would pretty much guarantee an expeditious response from the company.
"To the maximum extent possible" is meaningless. The "maximum" might be 100%, it might be 0%.
I just can't believe they rolled over so easily on OE pairings. I all hear from the videos is how ALPA tried hard for something and the company held firm on "NO". It would have been refreshing to hear ALPA say that the company really wanted to take flying at the last minute from the FO bid packets, but ALPA held firm on "NO".
I can't believe there is NO language guaranteeing that we will be notified in a timely manner exactly which trips are being taken from us. How about if the company doesn't meet the deadline, they don't get to take anything after it. That would pretty much guarantee an expeditious response from the company.
"To the maximum extent possible" is meaningless. The "maximum" might be 100%, it might be 0%.
Precisely.
You ought to be in the MEC or NC for TA 2.0.
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07-05-2018, 09:31 AM
#13
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,228
Originally Posted by LoudFastRules
Thank you Tom. I agree wholeheartedly.
I just can't believe they rolled over so easily on OE pairings. I all hear from the videos is how ALPA tried hard for something and the company held firm on "NO". It would have been refreshing to hear ALPA say that the company really wanted to take flying at the last minute from the FO bid packets, but ALPA held firm on "NO".
I can't believe there is NO language guaranteeing that we will be notified in a timely manner exactly which trips are being taken from us. How about if the company doesn't meet the deadline, they don't get to take anything after it. That would pretty much guarantee an expeditious response from the company.
"To the maximum extent possible" is meaningless. The "maximum" might be 100%, it might be 0%.
I just can't believe they rolled over so easily on OE pairings. I all hear from the videos is how ALPA tried hard for something and the company held firm on "NO". It would have been refreshing to hear ALPA say that the company really wanted to take flying at the last minute from the FO bid packets, but ALPA held firm on "NO".
I can't believe there is NO language guaranteeing that we will be notified in a timely manner exactly which trips are being taken from us. How about if the company doesn't meet the deadline, they don't get to take anything after it. That would pretty much guarantee an expeditious response from the company.
"To the maximum extent possible" is meaningless. The "maximum" might be 100%, it might be 0%.
An-Ee-Vee-Ee-Ar
slightly amended from what I wrote earlier:
All conditional statements MUST be followed by an ELSE:
Deadhead will be "to the maximum extent possible" in Mint/big front seat, if no big front seat is available for the DH pilot, he will get 150% for the deadhead.
Transport to hotel "should" be available within 30 minutes after on block, if not the pilot will be reimbursed for ANY option to get to the hotel.
5-E-2-e
The company "shall make its best efforts" to obtain the following:
11). Room assignments and room key distribution in hotel van on the way from airport to the hotel", IF NOT 30 MINUTES OF PAY WILL BE ADDED TO GUARANTEE" (5 years here, haven't gotten a hotel key on the van on a short layover yet)....
07-05-2018, 01:10 PM
#14
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by symbian simian
How do you spell "To the maximum extent possible"?
An-Ee-Vee-Ee-Ar
slightly amended from what I wrote earlier:
All conditional statements MUST be followed by an ELSE:
Deadhead will be "to the maximum extent possible" in Mint/big front seat, if no big front seat is available for the DH pilot, he will get 150% for the deadhead.
Transport to hotel "should" be available within 30 minutes after on block, if not the pilot will be reimbursed for ANY option to get to the hotel.
5-E-2-e
The company "shall make its best efforts" to obtain the following:
11). Room assignments and room key distribution in hotel van on the way from airport to the hotel", IF NOT 30 MINUTES OF PAY WILL BE ADDED TO GUARANTEE" (5 years here, haven't gotten a hotel key on the van on a short layover yet)....
An-Ee-Vee-Ee-Ar
slightly amended from what I wrote earlier:
All conditional statements MUST be followed by an ELSE:
Deadhead will be "to the maximum extent possible" in Mint/big front seat, if no big front seat is available for the DH pilot, he will get 150% for the deadhead.
Transport to hotel "should" be available within 30 minutes after on block, if not the pilot will be reimbursed for ANY option to get to the hotel.
5-E-2-e
The company "shall make its best efforts" to obtain the following:
11). Room assignments and room key distribution in hotel van on the way from airport to the hotel", IF NOT 30 MINUTES OF PAY WILL BE ADDED TO GUARANTEE" (5 years here, haven't gotten a hotel key on the van on a short layover yet)....
Wow...
How many people do we need on the NC or MEC for TA 2.0?
Amazing how a line pilot can think logically and write legal language yet TA 1.0 doesn't have it....
TA 2.0.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
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