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Xtreme87 07-08-2018 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2630048)
Least we forget 1000 start day one. I’m sorry but rsv improvements are across the board. Not just because some senior guys may be able to bypass flying. Also the alt DH provision will be especially useful to rsv commuters.

Improvements across the board? Except for the fact that they gave up one of the best things of reserve that we had here. Being a line holder as soon as you’re called out. With the new TA, you can be put back on reserve if your pairing cancels.

Papa Bear 07-08-2018 05:50 AM

Voted hell no to this POS

CaptCoolHand 07-08-2018 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2630051)
Improvements across the board? Except for the fact that they gave up one of the best things of reserve that we had here. Being a line holder as soon as you’re called out. With the new TA, you can be put back on reserve if your pairing cancels.

25.x.14i Long call may be placed back on LCL
ii. Short call is done for the day

And you get the credit for the pairing or what was flown what ever is greater.

Seems reasonable to me.

You might get out of a 1-2 day pairing, but it's exceptionally rare to have a full 3-4 day pulled. I've done RSV 9/11 years here.

JMO.

pilotpayne 07-08-2018 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2630066)
25.x.14i Long call may be placed back on LCL
ii. Short call is done for the day

And you get the credit for the pairing or what was flown what ever is greater.

Seems reasonable to me.

You might get out of a 1-2 day pairing, but it's exceptionally rare to have a full 3-4 day pulled. I've done RSV 9/11 years here.

JMO.


Heck it’s rare to get the 1-2 pulled. Let’s see almost 4 years and it has happened once. ONCE. Guys keep focusing on these unicorn issues (the cliff and health care are not) and ignore the overall improvement in the system.

You can read on here how much people complain about RSV and they come out with a much better system and it’s like oh well this one thing which almost never happens is bad so forget all the other improvements.

Bluedriver 07-08-2018 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 2630027)
RS, take a look at the BOS video at the 1:23:58 where witholding OE pairings are addressed. It’s not as bad and you can understand the justification. The parings most FO’s desire should be saved.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. There's no way to lose 75% of OE pairings and not lose a bunch of my treasure...

We all look for different things in pairings.

Runningscared 07-08-2018 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2630195)
One man's trash is another man's treasure. There's no way to lose 75% of OE pairings and not lose a bunch of my treasure...

We all look for different things in pairings.

I went and reviewed that portion of the video he mentions and I am still 100% against FO OE pairings being removed. It is a complete slap in the face of every FO and their quality of life, a major backward step. The pairings being removed should never be a pilot quality of life ruining element, and it is.

hyperboy 07-09-2018 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Runningscared (Post 2630215)
I went and reviewed that portion of the video he mentions and I am still 100% against FO OE pairings being removed. It is a complete slap in the face of every FO and their quality of life, a major backward step. The pairings being removed should never be a pilot quality of life ruining element, and it is.

Its pretty much industry standard...

BunkerF16 07-09-2018 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2630936)
Its pretty much industry standard...


Bullsh1t. It's not. There are 2 companies that don't withhold them at all. So it would have been industry standard to keep it the way it was too.


That's the NC committee's way of justifying a major concession. This TA is a disgrace.

Bluedriver 07-09-2018 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2631001)
Bullsh1t. It's not. There are 2 companies that don't withhold them at all. So it would have been industry standard to keep it the way it was too.


That's the NC committee's way of justifying a major concession. This TA is a disgrace.

Correction, right now there are 3 companies that don't withhold them.

hyperboy 07-09-2018 10:55 AM

[QUOTE=BunkerF16;2631001]Bullsh1t. It's not. There are 2 companies that don't withhold them at all. So it would have been industry standard to keep it the way it was too.


That's the NC committee's way of justifying a major concession. This TA is a d

You need a vacation. If you think this TA is a disgrace then so be it. Your opinion your vote......Your ONE vote.


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