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Old 07-11-2018, 05:56 AM
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Trying to create a pro/con RSV list... Please add others and I'll update the list. Not in any order of importance. Also, let me know if I'm not understanding something correctly.

--Pro--

-LC/SC
-14 hour max day.
-More days off, no more PRL's.
-First day start no earlier than 1000 (SC).
-DRO should be completed earlier.
-Can bid all RSV days in one block.
-Virtual release of 1700 on last day of the month (helps for bidding the next month and being awarded a line).
-2:30 SC call out, a gain of 15 minutes from current call out time.
-Hybrid no longer contains RSV days unless desired.
-High time RSV will not work for free over 75 hours if not given a trip.
-Retained last day REL.
-Day off encroachment if delayed past 0300.
-Not assigned a pairing that ends after 1659 on day prior to vacation.
-NO AIRPORT READY RESERVE.

--Con--

-Can't bid on trips if have over 40 hours of credit.
-D silo is exempt from starting at 0800 the next calendar day if operating within 2 hours of the WOCL. (Possible back to back red-eyes?)
-It's still the DRO.
-Can only bid on trips that equal number of RSV days left (SC, not LC).
-Conversion from LC to SC $100 compensation, up to 5 times. Would like to see a bit more money.
-Being rescheduled 1 minute outside of original footprint does not necessarily trigger the 5 hours PRM/JRM anymore.
-Still must make positive contact with Crew Scheduling if in a LVL 2/3 and not given reassignment (can use the call back feature, but we all know how horrible it is to contact them in this situation, would like to see the onus on them).
-Senior pilot is still given earlier time in their silo, so they will be used first.
-Assignment can go until 0059 and be considered same day, no longer 2359.

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Old 07-11-2018, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by texpilot View Post
Trying to create a pro/con RSV list... Please add others and I'll update the list. Not in any order of importance. Also, let me know if I'm not understanding something correctly.

--Pro--

-LC/SC
-14 hour max day.
-More days off, no more PRL's.
-First day start no earlier than 1000 (SC).
-DRO should be completed earlier.
-Can bid all RSV days in one block.
-Virtual release of 1700 on last day of the month (helps for bidding the next month and being awarded a line).
-2:30 SC call out, a gain of 15 minutes from current call out time.
-Hybrid no longer contains RSV days unless desired.
-High time RSV will not work for free over 75 hours if not given a trip.
-Retained last day REL.
-Day off encroachment if delayed past 0300.
-Not assigned a pairing that ends after 1659 on day prior to vacation.
-NO AIRPORT READY RESERVE.

--Con--

-Can't bid on trips if have over 40 hours of credit.
-D silo is exempt from starting at 0800 the next calendar day if operating within 2 hours of the WOCL. (Possible back to back red-eyes?)
-It's still the DRO.
-Can only bid on trips that equal number of RSV days left (SC, not LC).
-Conversion from LC to SC $100 compensation, up to 5 times. Would like to see a bit more money.
-Being rescheduled 1 minute outside of original footprint does not necessarily trigger the 5 hours PRM/JRM anymore.
-Still must make positive contact with Crew Scheduling if in a LVL 2/3 and not given reassignment (can use the call back feature, but we all know how horrible it is to contact them in this situation, would like to see the onus on them).
-Senior pilot is still given earlier time in their silo, so they will be used first.
-Assignment can go until 0059 and be considered same day, no longer 2359.

Tex

Good write up. Don't forget that when CS calls you the clock starts. No more positive contact required. If you cannot get ahold of them you must assume you will report. For dual bases this could be iffy.

The reserve rules are basically a wash from our current system. Some gains, some give backs.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:31 AM
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Good point POG. That's also why I put it's basically 15 minutes extra for the callout. For others, we used to have 15 minutes to contact them, so it was basically 2:15 call out. Now it's 2:30 from first contact attempt. I also seem to remember from that TA that the callout time didn't start until the pairing was placed on your JetCrew schedule, which sometimes takes a bit longer than when the call happens. I'll have to look into this more when I have a second.

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Old 07-11-2018, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
The reserve rules are basically a wash from our current system. Some gains, some give backs.
With statements like this I question your ability to analytically determine anything. The reserve section has massive improvements to QOL.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by texpilot View Post
Trying to create a pro/con RSV list... Please add others and I'll update the list. Not in any order of importance. Also, let me know if I'm not understanding something correctly.

--Pro--

-LC/SC
-14 hour max day.
-More days off, no more PRL's.
-First day start no earlier than 1000 (SC).
-DRO should be completed earlier.
-Can bid all RSV days in one block.
-Virtual release of 1700 on last day of the month (helps for bidding the next month and being awarded a line).
-2:30 SC call out, a gain of 15 minutes from current call out time.
-Hybrid no longer contains RSV days unless desired.
-High time RSV will not work for free over 75 hours if not given a trip.
-Retained last day REL.
-Day off encroachment if delayed past 0300.
-Not assigned a pairing that ends after 1659 on day prior to vacation.
-NO AIRPORT READY RESERVE.

--Con--

-Can't bid on trips if have over 40 hours of credit.
-D silo is exempt from starting at 0800 the next calendar day if operating within 2 hours of the WOCL. (Possible back to back red-eyes?)
-It's still the DRO. we dont have to dig around check an excel spreadsheet anymore...and the company cant restart the process to. capture trips becoming available like they do today. at 0300, anything that becomes available must go to open time. probably won't see delays...but its JB
-Can only bid on trips that equal number of RSV days left (SC, not LC).
-Conversion from LC to SC $100 compensation, up to 5 times. Would like to see a bit more money. Never thought of this as a con personally. Not being able to convert more than 5 times seems like a pro to me, and this will cover a crashedpad.
-Being rescheduled 1 minute outside of original footprint does not necessarily trigger the 5 hours PRM/JRM anymore.
-Still must make positive contact with Crew Scheduling if in a LVL 2/3 and not given reassignment (can use the call back feature, but we all know how horrible it is to contact them in this situation, would like to see the onus on them). This will impact us less since number of cancels to meet Level 2-3 IROP have been increased
-Senior pilot is still given earlier time in their silo, so they will be used first.
-Assignment can go until 0059 and be considered same day, no longer 2359. Lineholders can now drop...say...a 2-day that ends on day 3 at 0030, without the reserve grid for that day 3 needing to be green. that was always kind of BS.

Tex

-Day off encroachment if delayed past 0300.
This one is kind of big. If you're delayed past 0100, you trigger the calendar day toward the ADG (albeit toward guarantee) and then at 0300 you get either play over guarantee or a comp day off. Can't say I've seen that anywhere.

Couple more things that were missed.
-6/on 2 off is waivable and the company has to manage 30 hours off

-if a LCR gets assignment in DRO @ 0800 on day 1 for day 2, lets say at noon...they are done until report time of that pairing. no obligation to answer CS any longer.

Also, I commented on some background on the items above and why they are what they are, I asked about these at BOS roadshow.

There are a lot of games to play for reserves with this new system - both for LC and SC. I'm a reserve and want them for myself, so I'm not going to share them ...but read carefully.
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-Day off encroachment if delayed past 0300.
This one is kind of big. If you're delayed past 0100, you trigger the calendar day toward the ADG (albeit toward guarantee) and then at 0300 you get either play over guarantee or a comp day off. Can't say I've seen that anywhere.

Couple more things that were missed.
-6/on 2 off is waivable and the company has to manage 30 hours off

-if a LCR gets assignment in DRO @ 0800 on day 1 for day 2, lets say at noon...they are done until report time of that pairing. no obligation to answer CS any longer.

Also, I commented on some background on the items above and why they are what they are, I asked about these at BOS roadshow.

There are a lot of games to play for reserves with this new system - both for LC and SC. I'm a reserve and want them for myself, so I'm not going to share them ...but read carefully.
All good points. Thanks for the contribution.

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Old 07-11-2018, 08:39 AM
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You missed one big Con with the TA reserve:

If you bid for Long Call and can't hold it, you will end up with a Short Call schedule, or vice versa. (You can't bounce back to bidding a line once you bid reserve. From the ALPA Scheduling video.)

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Old 07-11-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mattio View Post
You missed one big Con with the TA reserve:

If you bid for Long Call and can't hold it, you will end up with a Short Call schedule, or vice versa. (You can't bounce back to bidding a line once you bid reserve. From the ALPA Scheduling video.)
I don’t have much experience with this.... let me see if I understand. Under the TA if you bid LC RSV, but can’t hold it, you get kicked to SCL. But you’d prefer if you can’t hold LC, you’d rather have a bid below LC that would then bid a line and not kick you to SCL? So we’re not going to be able to bid a LC-LINE-SCL type hierarchy? That does kinda suck, I didn’t realize that.

I would think most people who want a line will bid it first, but I could see this being a problem in certain instances.

We had LC at my regional, it was the same assignment logic, and I hated it, those guys worked alll the time. Now commuting out of base, LC could be a much better option.

Thanks for pointing that out; I wonder if it was done on purpose, or an oversight.

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Looked at an old post of mine from a while back and it was around 1:08:30 in the Scheduling video unless the video has changed.
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I also took it to mean that you can't bid SCL then a line. Maybe you want SCL if it will get you certain days off but if it won't then you want a line so you can work the tradeboard.. That is something that we're currently able to do but wouldn't be able to under the TA.
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