Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2745941)

99% of the time yes. But there’s always exceptions to the rule. For example a jetblue pilot out on medical leave cannot jumpseat. If it means getting that pilot on then I’ll take the jumpseat.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2749490)

1. Cleaning is deminimis... (from the email) it’s defined as insignificant... like profit sharing.
2. Thanks for quoting what I wrote. The point of “should” was to address the difference in wording between will and should or required and expected. Pretty sure i covered it with the manual references if anyone is still confused. But you knew that.

3. There’s no expectation.
FOM 1.37.3 Reporting for duty
Pilots are REQUIRED to report...
So you “must” or you will find youreself in a dependability review.

Words are chosen very carefully.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2749583)

Expected is a much stronger word than "should". And it is absolutely written company policy that your flight benefits may be suspended if you don't clean as "expected".

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2749598)

Expected isn’t nearly as strong of a word as must. And your benefits MAY be suspended. Not will.

We can do this all day.

You clean all you want. When i pass ride, I’ll do my seat maybe my row and depart without impending the passengers deplaning process.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2749649)

I do the same as you, but not convinced the company shares our definition of what's required. Also see WAY to many BlueJet pilots cleaning begrudgingly because of the written policy.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2749742)

Yet you continue to argue for the company side? Forgive me but I just don’t get it.

It’s pretty clear in the manuals to me.

Originally Posted by Bluetruth (Post 2749575)

Cptcoolhand is playing games with words.

From the FAM:



So according to you the FAs don't really have to clean either since they did not use the word MUST?

Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.

Having said that, the company needs to hire cleaners once and for all and end this for everyone.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2749598)

Expected isn’t nearly as strong of a word as must. And your benefits MAY be suspended. Not will.

We can do this all day.

You clean all you want. When i pass ride, I’ll do my seat maybe my row and depart without impending the passengers deplaning process.

Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2749760)

I thought about your well thought out response and the answer is NO.

Originally Posted by Bluetruth (Post 2749575)

Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.