Proposed Bases for EMB-190?
10-06-2005, 09:40 AM
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Proposed Bases for EMB-190?
I'm considering leaving another Major to go to Jetblue. Would like to be based out of L.A. Does anyone have information on the proposed growth rate of the 190 and if any will be based out West in the first year of operation? Thanks!
10-06-2005, 11:17 AM
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Tomcat, the 190's will not be based out of LA for the forseeable future. It will remain in JFK for one year, then rumor has it that some of the flying will be part of the BOS Base. As for now, if you got hired you could choose the A320 and hope to get Long Beach as a base.
10-06-2005, 01:32 PM
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Cuzz, I appreciate your reply. Sounds like you guys are doing well.
Bluebird, I'm not sure that David Neelan has quite such a limited vision for his company..... I could be wrong. Sure seems like you guys are doing a lot of trans-con considering you're an "East coast" carrier.
I don't particularly aspire to remain a F/O for the remainer of my career and had my company not contracted out 4000 out of 10,000 positions I would be a Captain. But that's just business. I've been with my ATL based carrier for nearly 6 years and probably will not make Captain for another 8-10 years.... Having said that, I'm carefully looking at all my options. I interviewed for one of the first 20 Captain positions with Jetblue and was offered to come back with the first group of F/O's. Seemed like a great group of people and I very much enjoyed meeting your CEO. I was hired by another carrier in the interim. Bottom line is that none of us could have forecasted the turmoil that would hit our industry. I knew it was a messed up day when I manuevered my 737 out of the flight path of United 175, narrowly avoiding a mid-air on 9/11, but didn't realize at that moment the challenges we would all face. myself, 2 1/2 years of furlough, now a bankrupt carrier.
Had a friend that passed away a couple of years ago at 85, flew for National and Pan Am, another neighbor flew for Braniff, known a couple of guys that flew for Eastern.... I've learned that you're lucky if you can stay with the same airline for your entire career.... Just like my friends, I take nothing for granted and am trying to manage my career as best as possible. So with that in mind, I thank you for your input. Resectfully, Tomcat
Bluebird, I'm not sure that David Neelan has quite such a limited vision for his company..... I could be wrong. Sure seems like you guys are doing a lot of trans-con considering you're an "East coast" carrier.
I don't particularly aspire to remain a F/O for the remainer of my career and had my company not contracted out 4000 out of 10,000 positions I would be a Captain. But that's just business. I've been with my ATL based carrier for nearly 6 years and probably will not make Captain for another 8-10 years.... Having said that, I'm carefully looking at all my options. I interviewed for one of the first 20 Captain positions with Jetblue and was offered to come back with the first group of F/O's. Seemed like a great group of people and I very much enjoyed meeting your CEO. I was hired by another carrier in the interim. Bottom line is that none of us could have forecasted the turmoil that would hit our industry. I knew it was a messed up day when I manuevered my 737 out of the flight path of United 175, narrowly avoiding a mid-air on 9/11, but didn't realize at that moment the challenges we would all face. myself, 2 1/2 years of furlough, now a bankrupt carrier.
Had a friend that passed away a couple of years ago at 85, flew for National and Pan Am, another neighbor flew for Braniff, known a couple of guys that flew for Eastern.... I've learned that you're lucky if you can stay with the same airline for your entire career.... Just like my friends, I take nothing for granted and am trying to manage my career as best as possible. So with that in mind, I thank you for your input. Resectfully, Tomcat
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10-06-2005, 06:04 PM
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Tomcat,
Friend of mine was just hired for the Oct Class (320...he had a choice). He lives just north of San Diego, and when offered the job he was told he had a good chance of getting LGB FO right out of training. If not, only a month or two at JFK. While true it is true that Captain upgrades at Long Beach are few and far between for now, you would be looking at three years or so for upgrade to Captain even at JFK. No telling what could happen between now and then, might even start flying out of (shudder!) LAX, which could grow the west coast base.
By East Coast airline, we mean all roads lead to NYC. Boston and Dulles are islands that, for now, we don't serve NYC from, but every other Blue city goes to NY. We do virtually no North-South flying on the west coast, east coast does a lot of it. LGB is pretty much transcons only.
Things change quickly around here, so no telling what could happen over the next three years. Good luck.
Friend of mine was just hired for the Oct Class (320...he had a choice). He lives just north of San Diego, and when offered the job he was told he had a good chance of getting LGB FO right out of training. If not, only a month or two at JFK. While true it is true that Captain upgrades at Long Beach are few and far between for now, you would be looking at three years or so for upgrade to Captain even at JFK. No telling what could happen between now and then, might even start flying out of (shudder!) LAX, which could grow the west coast base.
By East Coast airline, we mean all roads lead to NYC. Boston and Dulles are islands that, for now, we don't serve NYC from, but every other Blue city goes to NY. We do virtually no North-South flying on the west coast, east coast does a lot of it. LGB is pretty much transcons only.
Things change quickly around here, so no telling what could happen over the next three years. Good luck.
10-06-2005, 06:54 PM
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Meworry,
solid answer and I really appreciate that. I service several West Coast cities with Delta out of SLC. The only carrier that I can think of right off hand that flys up and down the coast is Alaska and Skywest. Regardless, I submitted my paperwork a couple of weeks ago, so I hope to get called back into an interview in the next couple of months. Our new "proposed" payrates are pretty much equal to JB and they are probably getting rid of the retirement, so I believe I would enjoy a little fresh air at JB a some seat progression will make up for the paycut.
Thanks all for your help! Tomcat
solid answer and I really appreciate that. I service several West Coast cities with Delta out of SLC. The only carrier that I can think of right off hand that flys up and down the coast is Alaska and Skywest. Regardless, I submitted my paperwork a couple of weeks ago, so I hope to get called back into an interview in the next couple of months. Our new "proposed" payrates are pretty much equal to JB and they are probably getting rid of the retirement, so I believe I would enjoy a little fresh air at JB a some seat progression will make up for the paycut.
Thanks all for your help! Tomcat
10-07-2005, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Meworry?
By East Coast airline, we mean all roads lead to NYC. Boston and Dulles are islands that, for now, we don't serve NYC from, but every other Blue city goes to NY.
Even more discouraging than these obvious indicators is that we have never been given a detailed rationale that explains WHY the base numbers are OPTIMAL. We get cryptic one liners with absolutely no substance. What comes first the chicken or the egg? Could we come up with an optimized base solution on our own that could be shown to save millions over the current solution? If so, then the question of base size becomes much broader.
Whether or not this response is negative or harsh is irrelevant. Let’s not get side tracked like we always do with what is a good and a bad attitude or who is "blue" and who is not.
What is important is that people (particularly those weighing a decision to come to Jetblue or another carrier like Continental or Fedex) be given good information that is free from irrational exuberance. Because that is how a lot of people made bad decisions to begin with.
10-08-2005, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bluebird
I didn’t know that’s what they meant, because when I heard it, it was in the context of growth out of LGB and it was at a pilot meeting. It was also said that the company would like to avoid co-bases and that slot limits at LGB would limit the growth that was possible. Which to me means that even LAX flying would go to FLL and JFK just as BUR and ONT did. These are facts, not speculation or hopeful attitudes. Another fact is that even when AMR pulled out of LGB those hours went to JFK and FLL.
Even more discouraging than these obvious indicators is that we have never been given a detailed rationale that explains WHY the base numbers are OPTIMAL. We get cryptic one liners with absolutely no substance. What comes first the chicken or the egg? Could we come up with an optimized base solution on our own that could be shown to save millions over the current solution? If so, then the question of base size becomes much broader.
Whether or not this response is negative or harsh is irrelevant. Let’s not get side tracked like we always do with what is a good and a bad attitude or who is "blue" and who is not.
What is important is that people (particularly those weighing a decision to come to Jetblue or another carrier like Continental or Fedex) be given good information that is free from irrational exuberance. Because that is how a lot of people made bad decisions to begin with.
Even more discouraging than these obvious indicators is that we have never been given a detailed rationale that explains WHY the base numbers are OPTIMAL. We get cryptic one liners with absolutely no substance. What comes first the chicken or the egg? Could we come up with an optimized base solution on our own that could be shown to save millions over the current solution? If so, then the question of base size becomes much broader.
Whether or not this response is negative or harsh is irrelevant. Let’s not get side tracked like we always do with what is a good and a bad attitude or who is "blue" and who is not.
What is important is that people (particularly those weighing a decision to come to Jetblue or another carrier like Continental or Fedex) be given good information that is free from irrational exuberance. Because that is how a lot of people made bad decisions to begin with.
No irrational exuberance, we just don't know what we don't know. My personal opinion is that as we approach 200-283 aircraft (hard orders) west coast will have to grow one way or another...maybe OAK. What if we want to go international from SoCal...LGB won't be the place. Or, forget SoCal, and consider North Carolina...may be lots of growth there.
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