LGB Based Pilots
05-15-2019, 03:11 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by nuball5
I wasn’t around back then, but if Jetblue didn’t open a new domicile back around 2009-2013 when they were growing fast, I highly doubt we’ll see one now. What year did Jetblue open it’s last base? Was it LGB?
05-15-2019, 03:27 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
Could it support our industry-leading paring parameters?
If not then no.
If yes then maybe. Maybe is all we need to use to fuel hope and then all is good in the hood!
If not then no.
If yes then maybe. Maybe is all we need to use to fuel hope and then all is good in the hood!
05-15-2019, 04:46 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
The discussion is in regards to SFO becoming a new base when we are rumored to get permanent gates.
A new base would have to comply with the "industry-leading" pairing parameters which require a certain trip mix and 5% of pairings would have to be 1-day pairings.
Other than SFO to LGB, SFO only operates transcons with Mint equipped aircraft.
Unless something drastic changes to SFO and the company decides to add back old city pairs or adds new ones the flying in SFO may support a crew base but the contract as written does not permit it.
A new base would have to comply with the "industry-leading" pairing parameters which require a certain trip mix and 5% of pairings would have to be 1-day pairings.
Other than SFO to LGB, SFO only operates transcons with Mint equipped aircraft.
Unless something drastic changes to SFO and the company decides to add back old city pairs or adds new ones the flying in SFO may support a crew base but the contract as written does not permit it.
The thing that's stopping a base from opening in SFO is the lack of frequency to and from the station. With only 15 flights a day, it doesn't make any sense to operate a domicile from that small of a station.
But let's say the company decided to open a domicile. At 15 flights a day, with 2 flights per day going to LGB, that's 13% of the schedule. They could make the 5% requirement comply. Even better, it'd likely be a co-domicile with SJC and OAK, boosting that number even more. I have no doubt the company could figure out how to shoehorn one line of day trips into a single line of flying out of 20 lines.
It's easy to make the rest of the trip mix work using the trans cons, but there's no need to do that, because the flying is covered just fine from the East coast at present.
If DCA, which I'm pretty sure has more flights per day than LGB, isn't a domicile yet, SFO isn't going to become one. It isn't because of the contract, it's because it makes no sense to open SFO as a domicile.
05-15-2019, 06:45 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by jtrain609
So, let's take this apart.
The thing that's stopping a base from opening in SFO is the lack of frequency to and from the station. With only 15 flights a day, it doesn't make any sense to operate a domicile from that small of a station.
But let's say the company decided to open a domicile. At 15 flights a day, with 2 flights per day going to LGB, that's 13% of the schedule. They could make the 5% requirement comply. Even better, it'd likely be a co-domicile with SJC and OAK, boosting that number even more. I have no doubt the company could figure out how to shoehorn one line of day trips into a single line of flying out of 20 lines.
It's easy to make the rest of the trip mix work using the trans cons, but there's no need to do that, because the flying is covered just fine from the East coast at present.
If DCA, which I'm pretty sure has more flights per day than LGB, isn't a domicile yet, SFO isn't going to become one. It isn't because of the contract, it's because it makes no sense to open SFO as a domicile.
The thing that's stopping a base from opening in SFO is the lack of frequency to and from the station. With only 15 flights a day, it doesn't make any sense to operate a domicile from that small of a station.
But let's say the company decided to open a domicile. At 15 flights a day, with 2 flights per day going to LGB, that's 13% of the schedule. They could make the 5% requirement comply. Even better, it'd likely be a co-domicile with SJC and OAK, boosting that number even more. I have no doubt the company could figure out how to shoehorn one line of day trips into a single line of flying out of 20 lines.
It's easy to make the rest of the trip mix work using the trans cons, but there's no need to do that, because the flying is covered just fine from the East coast at present.
If DCA, which I'm pretty sure has more flights per day than LGB, isn't a domicile yet, SFO isn't going to become one. It isn't because of the contract, it's because it makes no sense to open SFO as a domicile.
05-15-2019, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jtrain609
So, let's take this apart.
The thing that's stopping a base from opening in SFO is the lack of frequency to and from the station. With only 15 flights a day, it doesn't make any sense to operate a domicile from that small of a station.
But let's say the company decided to open a domicile. At 15 flights a day, with 2 flights per day going to LGB, that's 13% of the schedule. They could make the 5% requirement comply. Even better, it'd likely be a co-domicile with SJC and OAK, boosting that number even more. I have no doubt the company could figure out how to shoehorn one line of day trips into a single line of flying out of 20 lines.
It's easy to make the rest of the trip mix work using the trans cons, but there's no need to do that, because the flying is covered just fine from the East coast at present.
If DCA, which I'm pretty sure has more flights per day than LGB, isn't a domicile yet, SFO isn't going to become one. It isn't because of the contract, it's because it makes no sense to open SFO as a domicile.
The thing that's stopping a base from opening in SFO is the lack of frequency to and from the station. With only 15 flights a day, it doesn't make any sense to operate a domicile from that small of a station.
But let's say the company decided to open a domicile. At 15 flights a day, with 2 flights per day going to LGB, that's 13% of the schedule. They could make the 5% requirement comply. Even better, it'd likely be a co-domicile with SJC and OAK, boosting that number even more. I have no doubt the company could figure out how to shoehorn one line of day trips into a single line of flying out of 20 lines.
It's easy to make the rest of the trip mix work using the trans cons, but there's no need to do that, because the flying is covered just fine from the East coast at present.
If DCA, which I'm pretty sure has more flights per day than LGB, isn't a domicile yet, SFO isn't going to become one. It isn't because of the contract, it's because it makes no sense to open SFO as a domicile.
05-16-2019, 02:36 AM
#39
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Let’s be honest... The bulk of the west coast flying is handled by east coast crews (LGB rally at the JFK Crowne Plaza around 5pm for the ‘trail of tears’ ferry home). It’s only a mattter of time before we are shrunk or displaced. Once displacement language comes into effect in 2020, LGB is doomed. Maybe AS will call before then... JG and company should address this on one of their site visits this summer. At least the beers are free, and assuming it isn’t a weekend we’ll be legal to drink them.
For those hoping to get picked up in LGB, consider your options. There are FOUR legacy airlines and SWA with bases in CA (not to mention UPS). Plan your future accordingly.
Or, listen to that clown 360.... He probably enjoys his overnights at the Fairmont while pretending to understand the CBA. For now, back to my $30 breakfast at the JFK Hilton while the CA sneaks over to the Hampton for the Raisin Bran ( He’s a FLL guy picking up VDA on this broken pairing... Can’t stop talking about his brand new RXS golf clubs and fairway house).
For those hoping to get picked up in LGB, consider your options. There are FOUR legacy airlines and SWA with bases in CA (not to mention UPS). Plan your future accordingly.
Or, listen to that clown 360.... He probably enjoys his overnights at the Fairmont while pretending to understand the CBA. For now, back to my $30 breakfast at the JFK Hilton while the CA sneaks over to the Hampton for the Raisin Bran ( He’s a FLL guy picking up VDA on this broken pairing... Can’t stop talking about his brand new RXS golf clubs and fairway house).
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