CBA is a TURD
 

CBA with no min staffing levels. Classic pathetic QOL issues. Reserve grids all in red prior to the month even starting. Way to go ALPA. Even Spirit has min staffing levels. Our 13 Reps with voting rights hung this group out to dry.

Yep. All ALPAs fault. Boooo hisssss BOOOOOOO!!

Alpa has 100% control over hiring pairing builds and they gave away profit sharing.....

Huh.

Maybe you’ve never seen a summer time at blue jet. But this one is no different, and it has nothing to do with alpa.

The ALV is supposed to address this. It’s always been red in summer but now you don’t have to work quite as many hours.

Also, it’s been like this every summer since I’ve been here. Not sure what you were expecting?

The main driver for staffing is the vacation section. That is just now in its infancy. The upgrades and hiring on the last bid were the biggest I’ve seen in 8 years.

I’ll take another assessment next summer and make my full judgement on the CBA then.


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Turd or not... WE voted it in (no percentages listed, WE did it).

Tex

The vacation section will drive staffing but if there are more people taking vacation during the busy months then the grid in the busy months will still be red, right? I didn't think staffing (so that people have more flexibility with their schedule) was a priority for ALPA and clearly not for the majority of the pilot group. Low staffing means opportunity for premium, VDA, RSA, etc. which some people love. I think as the pilot group gets older there will be less focus on maxing out monthly credit and more on maxing out days off and on schedule flexibility. Then again, if our W-2's were a little beefier due to profit sharing then maybe guys wouldn't be as focused on RSA's, VDA's etc

This is really on the pilot group, though. From the perspective of ALPA negotiators and leadership, if they got the best that they were able to get and sent it to the group:
A. The group votes it in, then they did their job
B. If the group turns it down, then they would have more leverage in negotiating TA 2.0

The pilot group told them if it was A or B. I think the pilot group is a little green overall when it comes to unions and negotiating. Maybe they will feel empowered by having some improvements and we'll go back to the table for CBA 2 with a little more unity and toughness.

Had we voted no, we would all still be working for lower wages, most likely into next year

There’s a lot to address here, but it’s all been written 1000’s of times.

And I made more under the PEA than the CBA... So that statement is subjective. I was willing to wait.

Tex

I’m up 39k YTD. Will likely make +/- 80k more this year than last year (unless I switch seats.) Same seat, same base. The ADG is a game changer for my preferred type of trip.


That said, there are some wins and losses with this contract and what works for 1 may not work fit someone else.

Yep. Some earn more, some earn less. I think I'll make a little less this year because I was a PTO sell back person. BUT, I am also taking 4 weeks of vacation this year, which is something I've never done before.

I was also a PTO sellback guy. I’ve never taken an actual “vacation” at JB, that will be nice.

Tex

With the trips I bid, I’m not able to take advantage of it. My go to weekly trip is a 19 hour 3 day that ends late day 3. Because of delays, overblock, etc... it’s usually a 20 hour trip. It’s delayed multiple times past 0045. Not one of extra penny due to the ADG.... 🤦🏻*♂️

Tex

DOH!

I think the ADG advantaged redeyes that can be stacked is a huge advantage. Horrible for you, and will likely take years off your life, but a great way to make money.

Just curious what your preferred trip type is? Does the ADG benefit those of us who prefer shorter duration trips?

My favorite way to make money is to sit on RSV and not get called. Makes my hourly rate go up and up!

15hr 3 days stacked with another 15hr 3 day.


If I was living in base, my favorite trip would be to sit at home and relax!

Haha right?!

Thanks for the response!

I do mostly day trips on the 190. ORD, CLT, SAV, JAX, EWR all get in around 11pm-midnight. There’s also a JFK two day that finishes in BOS around 00:40am. So it doesn’t take much to get that extra ADG. Yes the shorter the trip, the more chances you’ll get.

I did that for about 4 years. Did about 150-180 hours a year, dequal’d on landings, it was awesome. 4 days of LC followed by REL sometimes for a perfect week. About 2 years ago that all came crashing down with the staffing issues (in FLL FO at least).

Glad it’s working for you still!

Tex

What is JB's holiday pay override for trips on holidays?

Trying to lobby for it at Delta, but there is much confusion as to the line swine what is possible....

Special Pay Day:
A Pilot shall receive Special Pay on January 1st, Martin Luther King Jr Day, July 4th, Memorial Day, fourth Thursday in November, and December 25th.

a. When the Pilot (or Instructor) is scheduled to work (including training) on a Special Pay Day designated in this Agreement, the Pilot shall be compensated at a rate of two (2) times the Pilot’s normal base rate of compensation for the scheduled or actual credit hours on that day or four (4) hours credit, whichever is greater.

b. Pilots required to layover on a Special Pay Day, but do not fly, will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. Pilots on reserve who do not fly will receive four hours (4:00) Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. If a Pilot is assigned a Secondary Pairing by Crew Services, any Special Pay in the Pairing will be guaranteed for the greater of the Pairing's Special Pay or what was actually flown on that day.

c. A Pilot in a training curriculum (at OSC) but not scheduled to train will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate.

4 hours extra pay on RSV.

Double pay if you fly.

This is the false narrative that people believed in. There is no evidence to suggest that it would've taken that long. How many people were misled into a contract because they were afraid we would be bought out?
Did that happen? Yet, it was a popular narrative at the time as well.

Also, it discounts the possibility that BJ pilots could have exercised their powers to change the terms of the equation to force BJ to agree to more of our terms.

Remember, ALPA failed because 74% of you people failed to think. Now you are getting what you deserve. Several of us warned you to reject TA 1.0 for TA 2.0 and you acted reflexively, not logically.

Until BJ pilots learn to respect themselves, their profession, and learn to fight, nothing will change with the next contract.

Ya RSV seems hit or miss nowadays. E90 FO RSV used to be great because they loaded up, I think, to prepare for the many people bidding off of it. Seemed like Bus FO RSV was nice for a while more recently but getting busy again whereas E90 RSV is slowing back down. Depends on the flux of where they're sending new hires I suppose.

Queue-

I know we are in different sides of this and that’s okay.

I voted yes, as did 74% of the group. I stand by my vote. As I stated earlier in this thread, based on the trips I fly, the contract got me a significant raise— All while working less. This Contract improved working here.

I hope despite our past differences, we can all be United (see what I did there) for a better contract with better pay and work rules in our next contract. I personally believe that we will be a much better negotiating position since we have a framework in place.

Pretty words, on paper. I for one don't believe them for a minute. The company was saving millions of dollars every month the CBA was delayed. But here we are now, with 1.0 nearly finished, and 2.0 is just around the corner.

I agree with this. At least I HOPE we are able to negotiate mo betta than what we have today, all the while making a better wage while waiting. If not, I may have to cross the line and hang out with queue, BD, disenchantmint. *shudder*

There’s also zero evidence that we wouldn’t still be negotiating contract 2.0.

The only thing that’s for sure is that implementation would definitely not have happened any sooner. I’d say it’s also a safe bet that the recent staffing increase would not have happened.

Around the corner: as in 2027.

And about then the pilot group will say: next time.

And there's no evidence that it WOULDN'T have taken that long.

Yeah. Because our current CBA will be in effect for 9 years. You're right.

Funny that you think that if you hadn't voted in the first offer that you'd still be waiting on offer #2, yet you assume the company won't drag out negotiations when the current agreement becomes amendable? Riiighht...

That goes both ways. If we're in a recession during negotiations for the next CBA the union will be the one to drag things out.

It’s entirely speculation from either side of the fence at this point.

We got what we got. It’s certainly not the worst but there’s room for improvement. Hopefully we’ll do better next round.

The implementation time line is quickly coming to an end. Can’t wait for the arbitration hearing when our “partners” miss the deadline.

This is too measured a perspective CCH- you must be more tribal-- So burn it down or juice up.
This CBA was built from the ground up. You either trust the mec/nc or you dont. Hopin the loudmouth 26ers volunteer for the next round and get us DAL+3. :rolleyes:

CBAs are in effect for perpetuity.

The company has zero incentive to amended it.

This pilot group for nearly two decades has proven it will settle: every time for anything.

Once the “wait” drags on this pilot group will rush to settle so they can get ‘em the next “next time”.

The 26ers answer to the NC was “why don’t you guys just stomp out of the room anytime they present a sub-standard offer?”

I feel bad for the NC guys who had to listen to our “real experts.”

If the NC said this is the best we could get and it up to the pilot group now.

That would have been honest.

Instead we got a presentation of exaggerations meant to do only one thing. Pass a product.

Zero respect for that. That is why they were fired by the LECs.

Which NC personnel have you spoken to? Or is this just pure conjecture?

Exactly right but they can play in theory and we are stuck with facts.