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Old 07-13-2019, 09:25 AM   #1  
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CBA with no min staffing levels. Classic pathetic QOL issues. Reserve grids all in red prior to the month even starting. Way to go ALPA. Even Spirit has min staffing levels. Our 13 Reps with voting rights hung this group out to dry.
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Yep. All ALPAs fault. Boooo hisssss BOOOOOOO!!

Alpa has 100% control over hiring pairing builds and they gave away profit sharing.....

Huh.

Maybe youíve never seen a summer time at blue jet. But this one is no different, and it has nothing to do with alpa.
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CBA with no min staffing levels. Classic pathetic QOL issues. Reserve grids all in red prior to the month even starting. Way to go ALPA. Even Spirit has min staffing levels. Our 13 Reps with voting rights hung this group out to dry.
The ALV is supposed to address this. Itís always been red in summer but now you donít have to work quite as many hours.

Also, itís been like this every summer since Iíve been here. Not sure what you were expecting?
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The main driver for staffing is the vacation section. That is just now in its infancy. The upgrades and hiring on the last bid were the biggest Iíve seen in 8 years.

Iíll take another assessment next summer and make my full judgement on the CBA then.


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Turd or not... WE voted it in (no percentages listed, WE did it).

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The main driver for staffing is the vacation section. That is just now in its infancy. The upgrades and hiring on the last bid were the biggest Iíve seen in 8 years.

Iíll take another assessment next summer and make my full judgement on the CBA then.
The vacation section will drive staffing but if there are more people taking vacation during the busy months then the grid in the busy months will still be red, right? I didn't think staffing (so that people have more flexibility with their schedule) was a priority for ALPA and clearly not for the majority of the pilot group. Low staffing means opportunity for premium, VDA, RSA, etc. which some people love. I think as the pilot group gets older there will be less focus on maxing out monthly credit and more on maxing out days off and on schedule flexibility. Then again, if our W-2's were a little beefier due to profit sharing then maybe guys wouldn't be as focused on RSA's, VDA's etc

This is really on the pilot group, though. From the perspective of ALPA negotiators and leadership, if they got the best that they were able to get and sent it to the group:
A. The group votes it in, then they did their job
B. If the group turns it down, then they would have more leverage in negotiating TA 2.0

The pilot group told them if it was A or B. I think the pilot group is a little green overall when it comes to unions and negotiating. Maybe they will feel empowered by having some improvements and we'll go back to the table for CBA 2 with a little more unity and toughness.
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Had we voted no, we would all still be working for lower wages, most likely into next year
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Had we voted no, we would all still be working for lower wages, most likely into next year
Thereís a lot to address here, but itís all been written 1000ís of times.

And I made more under the PEA than the CBA... So that statement is subjective. I was willing to wait.

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Thereís a lot to address here, but itís all been written 1000ís of times.

And I made more under the PEA than the CBA... So that statement is subjective. I was willing to wait.

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Iím up 39k YTD. Will likely make +/- 80k more this year than last year (unless I switch seats.) Same seat, same base. The ADG is a game changer for my preferred type of trip.


That said, there are some wins and losses with this contract and what works for 1 may not work fit someone else.

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Iím up 39k YTD. Will likely make +/- 80k more this year than last year (unless I switch seats.) Same seat, same base. The ADG is a game changer for my preferred type of trip.


That said, there are some wins and losses with this contract and what works for 1 may not work fit someone else.
Yep. Some earn more, some earn less. I think I'll make a little less this year because I was a PTO sell back person. BUT, I am also taking 4 weeks of vacation this year, which is something I've never done before.
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