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Old 07-16-2019 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
Around the corner: as in 2027.

And about then the pilot group will say: next time.
Yeah. Because our current CBA will be in effect for 9 years. You're right.
Old 07-16-2019 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
Had we voted no, we would all still be working for lower wages, most likely into next year
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Yeah. Because our current CBA will be in effect for 9 years. You're right.
Funny that you think that if you hadn't voted in the first offer that you'd still be waiting on offer #2, yet you assume the company won't drag out negotiations when the current agreement becomes amendable? Riiighht...

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Old 07-17-2019 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
Funny that you think that if you hadn't voted in the first offer that you'd still be waiting on offer #2, yet you assume the company won't drag out negotiations when the current agreement becomes amendable? Riiighht...
That goes both ways. If we're in a recession during negotiations for the next CBA the union will be the one to drag things out.
Old 07-17-2019 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
Funny that you think that if you hadn't voted in the first offer that you'd still be waiting on offer #2, yet you assume the company won't drag out negotiations when the current agreement becomes amendable? Riiighht...
It’s entirely speculation from either side of the fence at this point.

We got what we got. It’s certainly not the worst but there’s room for improvement. Hopefully we’ll do better next round.

The implementation time line is quickly coming to an end. Can’t wait for the arbitration hearing when our “partners” miss the deadline.
Old 07-17-2019 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
It’s entirely speculation from either side of the fence at this point.

We got what we got. It’s certainly not the worst but there’s room for improvement. Hopefully we’ll do better next round.

The implementation time line is quickly coming to an end. Can’t wait for the arbitration hearing when our “partners” miss the deadline.
This is too measured a perspective CCH- you must be more tribal-- So burn it down or juice up.
This CBA was built from the ground up. You either trust the mec/nc or you dont. Hopin the loudmouth 26ers volunteer for the next round and get us DAL+3.
Old 07-17-2019 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
Yeah. Because our current CBA will be in effect for 9 years. You're right.
CBAs are in effect for perpetuity.

The company has zero incentive to amended it.

This pilot group for nearly two decades has proven it will settle: every time for anything.

Once the “wait” drags on this pilot group will rush to settle so they can get ‘em the next “next time”.
Old 07-17-2019 | 06:26 AM
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This is too measured a perspective CCH- you must be more tribal-- So burn it down or juice up.
This CBA was built from the ground up. You either trust the mec/nc or you dont. Hopin the loudmouth 26ers volunteer for the next round and get us DAL+3.
The 26ers answer to the NC was “why don’t you guys just stomp out of the room anytime they present a sub-standard offer?”

I feel bad for the NC guys who had to listen to our “real experts.”
Old 07-17-2019 | 06:42 AM
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If the NC said this is the best we could get and it up to the pilot group now.

That would have been honest.

Instead we got a presentation of exaggerations meant to do only one thing. Pass a product.

Zero respect for that. That is why they were fired by the LECs.
Old 07-17-2019 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
If the NC said this is the best we could get and it up to the pilot group now.

That would have been honest.

Instead we got a presentation of exaggerations meant to do only one thing. Pass a product.

Zero respect for that. That is why they were fired by the LECs.
Which NC personnel have you spoken to? Or is this just pure conjecture?
Old 07-17-2019 | 07:50 AM
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There’s also zero evidence that we wouldn’t still be negotiating contract 2.0.

The only thing that’s for sure is that implementation would definitely not have happened any sooner. I’d say it’s also a safe bet that the recent staffing increase would not have happened.

Exactly right but they can play in theory and we are stuck with facts.
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