2nd Quarter Earnings email.
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Sure, I’ll do the math for you. According to that article AA will take 12 deliveries this year. If five are being delayed, that would mean 29.4% of their 2019 NEO deliveries are pushed to next year.
The fundamental problem I have with your question is that the answer is in no way relevant to the discussion. These delays are due to ENGINE AND AIRFRAME PRODUCTION DELAYS BY THE MANUFACTURERS. Please explain how this is indicative of the financial or operation health of the customer airlines? The planes just aren’t there. Everyone wants them...just gotta wait.
Aer Lingus had to cancel routes due to production delays.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/delayed-delivery-of-aer-lingus-aircraft-to-impact-thousands-of-passengers-37876736.html
Hawaiian had to cut routes due to NEO delays.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fool.com/amp/investing/2018/02/26/airbus-a321neo-engine-delays-hawaiian-airlines.aspx
There are plenty of reasons to be critical of the operation but this just isn’t one of them.
The fundamental problem I have with your question is that the answer is in no way relevant to the discussion. These delays are due to ENGINE AND AIRFRAME PRODUCTION DELAYS BY THE MANUFACTURERS. Please explain how this is indicative of the financial or operation health of the customer airlines? The planes just aren’t there. Everyone wants them...just gotta wait.
Aer Lingus had to cancel routes due to production delays.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/delayed-delivery-of-aer-lingus-aircraft-to-impact-thousands-of-passengers-37876736.html
Hawaiian had to cut routes due to NEO delays.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fool.com/amp/investing/2018/02/26/airbus-a321neo-engine-delays-hawaiian-airlines.aspx
There are plenty of reasons to be critical of the operation but this just isn’t one of them.
How could this be! I mean, it's just Airbus/engine manufactures right?!?
And they did make a change to the delivery expectations today. Previously it was announced that JB would take "a minimum of 6" NEOs in 2019. Today they say "a maximum of 6".
I have said before, there was NO way they could train and hire for 13 deliveries this year as well as staff/hire for CBA requirements and fix their staffing shortage simultaneously. Now we know JB is taking nearly twice the delivery delay ***percentage*** vs. AA in the same year! How can that be?!? Well, Airbus is indeed running behind schedule, and you don't think they asked their customers if any of them would be willing to accept any additional delivery delays to accommodate customers that really want deliveries now?
Would you like a clue from the company to support that notion? How about this from the company earnings slide show today:
"3Q capacity unusually low, driven by NEO delays and ***adjustments to support RASM and margin***".
Do you understand what that paragraph means?
Any more wisdom you'd like to demonstrate?
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More importantly, why would a company that supposedly wants all their NEO deliveries TRIM capacity beyond the missing NEO deliveries even FURTHER to "support RASM and margins"?
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Looks like lots of PW engine NEOs being delivered lately, many repeat deliveries to the same airline.
Many with Spaceflex cabin.
https://aibfamily.flights/search?aircraft_type=A321&family=A320
Many with Spaceflex cabin.
https://aibfamily.flights/search?aircraft_type=A321&family=A320
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Looks like lots of PW engine NEOs being delivered lately, many repeat deliveries to the same airline.
Many with Spaceflex cabin.
https://aibfamily.flights/search?air...21&family=A320
Many with Spaceflex cabin.
https://aibfamily.flights/search?air...21&family=A320
Of the 11 A320's delivered since JetBlue got theirs with P&W engines, which are a different variant, 3 were to a single customer, and only 3 came from the XFW factory. IndiGo was that customer, which placed their order for 280 A320neo family aircraft on June 22, 2011, making them the third customer to place an order for the family of aircraft. With the size of the order and when the order was placed, along with the delivery slots they had, early+current delivery delays, it's no surprise they are taking more deliveries than JetBlue currently.
To summarize: 15 A32xneo planes with P&W engines delivered from June 29-today, 16 including JB. 3 went to a single customer.
You are fake news
Edit: I would like to add that IndiGo is the largest customer of the A320neo family with a total of 430 aircraft on order. 280 being for the P&W engines.
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Incorrect. Only 4 of 9 A321neo's delivered with the P&W engines have been delivered since JetBlue got theirs. Of those 9, none were to a repeat customer, and all came from the XFW factory. 8 had the space flex cabin.
Of the 11 A320's delivered since JetBlue got theirs with P&W engines, which are a different variant, 3 were to a single customer, and only 3 came from the XFW factory. IndiGo was that customer, which placed their order for 280 A320neo family aircraft on June 22, 2011, making them the third customer to place an order for the family of aircraft. With the size of the order and when the order was placed, along with the delivery slots they had, early+current delivery delays, it's no surprise they are taking more deliveries than JetBlue currently.
To summarize: 15 A32xneo planes with P&W engines delivered from June 29-today, 16 including JB. 3 went to a single customer.
You are fake news
Edit: I would like to add that IndiGo is the largest customer of the A320neo family with a total of 430 aircraft on order. 280 being for the P&W engines.
Of the 11 A320's delivered since JetBlue got theirs with P&W engines, which are a different variant, 3 were to a single customer, and only 3 came from the XFW factory. IndiGo was that customer, which placed their order for 280 A320neo family aircraft on June 22, 2011, making them the third customer to place an order for the family of aircraft. With the size of the order and when the order was placed, along with the delivery slots they had, early+current delivery delays, it's no surprise they are taking more deliveries than JetBlue currently.
To summarize: 15 A32xneo planes with P&W engines delivered from June 29-today, 16 including JB. 3 went to a single customer.
You are fake news
Edit: I would like to add that IndiGo is the largest customer of the A320neo family with a total of 430 aircraft on order. 280 being for the P&W engines.
And, in this particular case, I'd prefer to be wrong.
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You are fake news. Why? Because you pick out the little tidbits of factual information and then you twist it to fit your narrative. You are no different than CNN. Your words were as I quote, "Looks like lots of PW engine NEOs being delivered lately, many repeat deliveries to the same airline." The last part is what I would like to highlight. "Many deliveries to the same airline". I gave factual figures and there were, count them, three deliveries since June 29th (approximately 18% of the P&W deliveries) that went to a single customer. That is a few deliveries. A far cry from many, but don't let that slow down your agenda. As I highlighted though, they are the largest customer (7% of total orders to date) and a customer that placed their orders very early on, thus giving them the choice of delivery slots to fit their company needs.
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You are fake news. Why? Because you pick out the little tidbits of factual information and then you twist it to fit your narrative. You are no different than CNN. Your words were as I quote, "Looks like lots of PW engine NEOs being delivered lately, many repeat deliveries to the same airline." The last part is what I would like to highlight. "Many deliveries to the same airline". I gave factual figures and there were, count them, three deliveries since June 29th (approximately 18% of the P&W deliveries) that went to a single customer. That is a few deliveries. A far cry from many, but don't let that slow down your agenda. As I highlighted though, they are the largest customer (7% of total orders to date) and a customer that placed their orders very early on, thus giving them the choice of delivery slots to fit their company needs.
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Having those raw numbers (facts) will help us all understand the maff behind your claims that you "have been saying all along".
Thanks in advance.
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