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Originally Posted by scudrunner13
(Post 2905258)
Thank you. I will be in base and dont mind flying extra to meet that credit criteria. I’ve been hearing $130-$150K is an average range on the 190 for year 2, any truth to this?
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I was hired in January and year to date my net income was $41,124.32. So like previous months where I only worked guarantee I'd expected that at the end of the year I will have made $54,123.00 (Net)
I'm on the A321 JFK based, but live outside of base and commute to work. This means I'm NOT sitting around on my days off hoping to pick up VDA's or RSA's. The only month I broke guarantee was in August with 101hrs credit. Other than that I have never broke guarantee. When It comes to VDA remember it's awarded via seniority. New guys rarely see VDA's. |
Originally Posted by CafeConLeche
(Post 2905334)
I was hired in January and year to date my net income was $41,124.32. So like previous months where I only worked guarantee I'd expected that at the end of the year I will have made $54,123.00 (Net)
I'm on the A321 JFK based, but live outside of base and commute to work. This means I'm NOT sitting around on my days off hoping to pick up VDA's or RSA's. The only month I broke guarantee was in August with 101hrs credit. Other than that I have never broke guarantee. When It comes to VDA remember it's awarded via seniority. New guys rarely see VDA's. |
As stated above, I would never play my financial future on what I NEED to fly. Rather, plan it on what you KNOW you'll make, min guarantee. If you cannot survive on that, then I would find more lucrative income elsewhere. Just life advice. Now for some numbers...
I spent about half the year commuting, the second half in base. I can hold a line. For the month of October, am blocking 94 to get 108 credit. IOW, flying my arse off compared to RSV. But the lines aren't very efficient at the bottom end. I can fly block 25 hours on RSV to get credit 75, and I am not exhausted. The FOs here that are making $300K and up are very senior. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you will make over $200K your second or third year. You will run into 100/1000 hour block limits before you make that salary, IMO. But as for some $$ numbers, I am at $116K gross thru Oct 8. That's with a few VDAs that (theoretically) won't exist in another couple of months, so your number would potentially be lower. On the 190, you might fly more due to getting off RSV sooner, but your pay rate year two would be lower, so do your math on that aspect of it. I am pretty sure I will end the year with a gross income of over $138,950. That's 9 months of year two pay and 3 months of year one to put it into a more accurate perspective. Good luck, and hope this helps you figure things out. Personally, I prefer to sit at home and credit more $$ per day on RSV, but having a line does mean you can put more cash in the bank. The cost of flying 90+ hours per month to get there WILL take its toll, of course. |
Originally Posted by scudrunner13
(Post 2904994)
I definitely plan on picking up as much extra as needed each month as I will be living in base.
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
(Post 2905373)
As stated above, I would never play my financial future on what I NEED to fly. Rather, plan it on what you KNOW you'll make, min guarantee. If you cannot survive on that, then I would find more lucrative income elsewhere. Just life advice. Now for some numbers...
I spent about half the year commuting, the second half in base. I can hold a line. For the month of October, am blocking 94 to get 108 credit. IOW, flying my arse off compared to RSV. But the lines aren't very efficient at the bottom end. I can fly block 25 hours on RSV to get credit 75, and I am not exhausted. The FOs here that are making $300K and up are very senior. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you will make over $200K your second or third year. You will run into 100/1000 hour block limits before you make that salary, IMO. But as for some $$ numbers, I am at $116K gross thru Oct 8. That's with a few VDAs that (theoretically) won't exist in another couple of months, so your number would potentially be lower. On the 190, you might fly more due to getting off RSV sooner, but your pay rate year two would be lower, so do your math on that aspect of it. Good luck, and hope this helps you figure things out. Personally, I prefer to sit at home and credit more $$ per day on RSV, but having a line does mean you can put more cash in the bank. The cost of flying 90+ hours per month to get there WILL take its toll, of course. |
Originally Posted by scudrunner13
(Post 2905258)
Thank you. I will be in base and dont mind flying extra to meet that credit criteria. I’ve been hearing $130-$150K is an average range on the 190 for year 2, any truth to this?
On the 190 I've seen the open time go from pretty much whatever you want, to almost non-existant on certain days/weeks these last couple months. On the FO side, the only thing I've been seeing consistently on flica is crappy 4 day trips. If you're willing to work your normal schedule, and then go pickup another 4 day with 4 legs on 2 or 3 of those days, have at it. We are actually 'properly' staffed on the 190 FO side in BOS it seems. CA side still seems to be running in the red almost every day. Absolutely plan financially for guarantee and anything above that is a bonus. If you're willing to sacrifice a lot of time working the system it can be very good financially, I'm on the other end of the spectrum though. I want as much time off as possible and don't pickup straight time trips so I probably make less than the average FO, but I'm home all the time. |
Originally Posted by HighFlight
(Post 2905373)
As stated above, I would never play my financial future on what I NEED to fly. Rather, plan it on what you KNOW you'll make, min guarantee. If you cannot survive on that, then I would find more lucrative income elsewhere. Just life advice. Now for some numbers...
I spent about half the year commuting, the second half in base. I can hold a line. For the month of October, am blocking 94 to get 108 credit. IOW, flying my arse off compared to RSV. But the lines aren't very efficient at the bottom end. I can fly block 25 hours on RSV to get credit 75, and I am not exhausted. The FOs here that are making $300K and up are very senior. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you will make over $200K your second or third year. You will run into 100/1000 hour block limits before you make that salary, IMO. But as for some $$ numbers, I am at $116K gross thru Oct 8. That's with a few VDAs that (theoretically) won't exist in another couple of months, so your number would potentially be lower. On the 190, you might fly more due to getting off RSV sooner, but your pay rate year two would be lower, so do your math on that aspect of it. I am pretty sure I will end the year with a gross income of over $138,950. That's 9 months of year two pay and 3 months of year one to put it into a more accurate perspective. Good luck, and hope this helps you figure things out. Personally, I prefer to sit at home and credit more $$ per day on RSV, but having a line does mean you can put more cash in the bank. The cost of flying 90+ hours per month to get there WILL take its toll, of course. |
Originally Posted by CafeConLeche
(Post 2905334)
I was hired in January and year to date my net income was $41,124.32. So like previous months where I only worked guarantee I'd expected that at the end of the year I will have made $54,123.00 (Net)
I'm on the A321 JFK based, but live outside of base and commute to work. This means I'm NOT sitting around on my days off hoping to pick up VDA's or RSA's. The only month I broke guarantee was in August with 101hrs credit. Other than that I have never broke guarantee. When It comes to VDA remember it's awarded via seniority. New guys rarely see VDA's. What is your gross so far on the year if you don't mind me asking? |
Originally Posted by scudrunner13
(Post 2905338)
Thank you very much for that insight, extremely helpful. How does year 2 look?
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