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nuball5 10-15-2019 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 2905258)
Thank you. I will be in base and dont mind flying extra to meet that credit criteria. I’ve been hearing $130-$150K is an average range on the 190 for year 2, any truth to this?

Probably on the lower side of that range or below. You said average...so that includes commuters or those that sit reserve, collect their 75 hours and seldom fly. I think second year pay is $100/hour. 150K would be tough at that pay-rate. You’re looking at crediting 125 hours/month, every month to get there.

CafeConLeche 10-15-2019 07:21 AM

I was hired in January and year to date my net income was $41,124.32. So like previous months where I only worked guarantee I'd expected that at the end of the year I will have made $54,123.00 (Net)

I'm on the A321 JFK based, but live outside of base and commute to work. This means I'm NOT sitting around on my days off hoping to pick up VDA's or RSA's.
The only month I broke guarantee was in August with 101hrs credit. Other than that I have never broke guarantee. When It comes to VDA remember it's awarded via seniority. New guys rarely see VDA's.

scudrunner13 10-15-2019 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by CafeConLeche (Post 2905334)
I was hired in January and year to date my net income was $41,124.32. So like previous months where I only worked guarantee I'd expected that at the end of the year I will have made $54,123.00 (Net)

I'm on the A321 JFK based, but live outside of base and commute to work. This means I'm NOT sitting around on my days off hoping to pick up VDA's or RSA's.
The only month I broke guarantee was in August with 101hrs credit. Other than that I have never broke guarantee. When It comes to VDA remember it's awarded via seniority. New guys rarely see VDA's.

Thank you very much for that insight, extremely helpful. How does year 2 look?

HighFlight 10-15-2019 08:11 AM

As stated above, I would never play my financial future on what I NEED to fly. Rather, plan it on what you KNOW you'll make, min guarantee. If you cannot survive on that, then I would find more lucrative income elsewhere. Just life advice. Now for some numbers...

I spent about half the year commuting, the second half in base. I can hold a line. For the month of October, am blocking 94 to get 108 credit. IOW, flying my arse off compared to RSV. But the lines aren't very efficient at the bottom end. I can fly block 25 hours on RSV to get credit 75, and I am not exhausted. The FOs here that are making $300K and up are very senior. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you will make over $200K your second or third year. You will run into 100/1000 hour block limits before you make that salary, IMO.

But as for some $$ numbers, I am at $116K gross thru Oct 8. That's with a few VDAs that (theoretically) won't exist in another couple of months, so your number would potentially be lower. On the 190, you might fly more due to getting off RSV sooner, but your pay rate year two would be lower, so do your math on that aspect of it. I am pretty sure I will end the year with a gross income of over $138,950. That's 9 months of year two pay and 3 months of year one to put it into a more accurate perspective.

Good luck, and hope this helps you figure things out. Personally, I prefer to sit at home and credit more $$ per day on RSV, but having a line does mean you can put more cash in the bank. The cost of flying 90+ hours per month to get there WILL take its toll, of course.

KNOTAPILOT 10-15-2019 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 2904994)
I definitely plan on picking up as much extra as needed each month as I will be living in base.

If it helps I normally just say to average out rate per hour times 1000. That should give you a fair base pay. Normally works out to be 80 hours credit per month. Working extra depends on seniority and availability. It’s relatively easy to make extra money in Jetblue with all the understaffing currently. If you’re on the 190 living in base you should have no issue having a bunch of credit monthly and relatively short sit on reserve. The bus will be longer reserve and it’ll take longer to go up in seniority which means less calls for VDAs. Best of luck!

KNOTAPILOT 10-15-2019 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2905373)
As stated above, I would never play my financial future on what I NEED to fly. Rather, plan it on what you KNOW you'll make, min guarantee. If you cannot survive on that, then I would find more lucrative income elsewhere. Just life advice. Now for some numbers...

I spent about half the year commuting, the second half in base. I can hold a line. For the month of October, am blocking 94 to get 108 credit. IOW, flying my arse off compared to RSV. But the lines aren't very efficient at the bottom end. I can fly block 25 hours on RSV to get credit 75, and I am not exhausted. The FOs here that are making $300K and up are very senior. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you will make over $200K your second or third year. You will run into 100/1000 hour block limits before you make that salary, IMO.

But as for some $$ numbers, I am at $116K gross thru Oct 8. That's with a few VDAs that (theoretically) won't exist in another couple of months, so your number would potentially be lower. On the 190, you might fly more due to getting off RSV sooner, but your pay rate year two would be lower, so do your math on that aspect of it.

Good luck, and hope this helps you figure things out. Personally, I prefer to sit at home and credit more $$ per day on RSV, but having a line does mean you can put more cash in the bank. The cost of flying 90+ hours per month to get there WILL take its toll, of course.

There’s FOs here that make 300k? Poor guys must never go home. Like someone else said the top 10 percent of the base can make all the money. The rest of us get by.

AYLflyer 10-15-2019 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 2905258)
Thank you. I will be in base and dont mind flying extra to meet that credit criteria. I’ve been hearing $130-$150K is an average range on the 190 for year 2, any truth to this?

Wanting to fly extra and being able to are 2 different things.

On the 190 I've seen the open time go from pretty much whatever you want, to almost non-existant on certain days/weeks these last couple months.

On the FO side, the only thing I've been seeing consistently on flica is crappy 4 day trips. If you're willing to work your normal schedule, and then go pickup another 4 day with 4 legs on 2 or 3 of those days, have at it. We are actually 'properly' staffed on the 190 FO side in BOS it seems. CA side still seems to be running in the red almost every day.

Absolutely plan financially for guarantee and anything above that is a bonus. If you're willing to sacrifice a lot of time working the system it can be very good financially, I'm on the other end of the spectrum though. I want as much time off as possible and don't pickup straight time trips so I probably make less than the average FO, but I'm home all the time.

nuball5 10-15-2019 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2905373)
As stated above, I would never play my financial future on what I NEED to fly. Rather, plan it on what you KNOW you'll make, min guarantee. If you cannot survive on that, then I would find more lucrative income elsewhere. Just life advice. Now for some numbers...

I spent about half the year commuting, the second half in base. I can hold a line. For the month of October, am blocking 94 to get 108 credit. IOW, flying my arse off compared to RSV. But the lines aren't very efficient at the bottom end. I can fly block 25 hours on RSV to get credit 75, and I am not exhausted. The FOs here that are making $300K and up are very senior. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you will make over $200K your second or third year. You will run into 100/1000 hour block limits before you make that salary, IMO.

But as for some $$ numbers, I am at $116K gross thru Oct 8. That's with a few VDAs that (theoretically) won't exist in another couple of months, so your number would potentially be lower. On the 190, you might fly more due to getting off RSV sooner, but your pay rate year two would be lower, so do your math on that aspect of it. I am pretty sure I will end the year with a gross income of over $138,950. That's 9 months of year two pay and 3 months of year one to put it into a more accurate perspective.

Good luck, and hope this helps you figure things out. Personally, I prefer to sit at home and credit more $$ per day on RSV, but having a line does mean you can put more cash in the bank. The cost of flying 90+ hours per month to get there WILL take its toll, of course.

If you’re doing it correctly, it’s a big fallacy to say that someone that likes to have high credit months will run into the 100/1000 block limits. I’d even argue that someone that just flies their schedule and goes home blocks more than the guy that wants to hustle.

tcco94 10-15-2019 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by CafeConLeche (Post 2905334)
I was hired in January and year to date my net income was $41,124.32. So like previous months where I only worked guarantee I'd expected that at the end of the year I will have made $54,123.00 (Net)

I'm on the A321 JFK based, but live outside of base and commute to work. This means I'm NOT sitting around on my days off hoping to pick up VDA's or RSA's.
The only month I broke guarantee was in August with 101hrs credit. Other than that I have never broke guarantee. When It comes to VDA remember it's awarded via seniority. New guys rarely see VDA's.

At first I thought this was gross and was slightly worried as I'm taking a $10 pay increase and that was a lot lower than I've made this year.

What is your gross so far on the year if you don't mind me asking?

CafeConLeche 10-15-2019 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 2905338)
Thank you very much for that insight, extremely helpful. How does year 2 look?

Year 2 is hard to say. Yeah I'll jump to $121.92 an hr but like others have said line values at jetblue average between 77hrs to 85hrs. From what I've seen I would assume I should be able to hold a line around my year anniversary. Holding a line would give me a little leverage to drop trips which would help build a better schedule. As a commuter it really affects my ability to pick up trips for extra money. Honestly I'm not willing to lose days off for a couple hundred dollars.


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