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scudrunner13 10-15-2019 09:35 AM

Thanks gents

So with a 12 month bid schedule. After taxes, insurance, alpa, blue pilot fund and any deductions I may be missing, are we all in agreement that a new hire can expect to NET roughly $6000 a month, $72000 annual net? Thank you, again.

CafeConLeche 10-15-2019 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 2905452)
At first I thought this was gross and was slightly worried as I'm taking a $10 pay increase and that was a lot lower than I've made this year.

What is your gross so far on the year if you don't mind me asking?

At the end of October my Gross Income will be $58,278.24 plus or minus a couple of dollars.
I left Republic as on 6th year captain pay and took a pretty good pay cut. So if I can hold a line by my year anniversary on second year pay at jetblue I will make up for the loss on year one.

CafeConLeche 10-15-2019 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 2905469)
Thanks gents

So with a 12 month bid schedule. After taxes, insurance, alpa, blue pilot fund and any deductions I may be missing, are we all in agreement that a new hire can expect to NET roughly $6000 a month, $72000 annual net? Thank you, again.

ummmmmm I still think that's a bit high. I'd plan on more like around $60k-65k.

PotatoChip 10-15-2019 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 2905469)
Thanks gents

So with a 12 month bid schedule. After taxes, insurance, alpa, blue pilot fund and any deductions I may be missing, are we all in agreement that a new hire can expect to NET roughly $6000 a month, $72000 annual net? Thank you, again.

$6000 x 12 doesn’t account for training pay. I’d expect closer to $65,000.

tcco94 10-15-2019 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by CafeConLeche (Post 2905470)
At the end of October my Gross Income will be $58,278.24 plus or minus a couple of dollars.
I left Republic as on 6th year captain pay and took a pretty good pay cut. So if I can hold a line by my year anniversary on second year pay at jetblue I will make up for the loss on year one.

Good to know. I am at 78/hour right now on year 3 pay but my gross is a little over 20k more than you are at now. I understand some of your pay must have been training hours too? Sounds like I'll take a pay cut but it won't be too dramatic. Thanks for the info! It definitely helps out with planning

scudrunner13 10-15-2019 12:08 PM

So consider:

$1200/month (2 months) training pay

$88/hr for 80 hours (month after training) - $4600/
Month net after deductions

$88/hr for 75 hours (3-4 months) $4200/month net after deductions

Line holders willing to work $5000-$6000/month net

Would these figures be closer to accurate?

Quiet Storm 10-15-2019 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 2905613)
So consider:

$1200/month (2 months) training pay

$88/hr for 80 hours (month after training) - $4600/
Month net after deductions

$88/hr for 75 hours (3-4 months) $4200/month net after deductions

Line holders willing to work $5000-$6000/month net

Would these figures be closer to accurate?

Hired in January. Net Pay YTD is 35,420. Gross is 50,485. Reserve . Only broke gurnatee one time (credited 80 hours) because I had an Emergency Assignment, that was add pay . Never did a RSA or VDA , I have been called for a VDA twice , but didn't answer the phone .

Since I got off training pay, my monthly net varies somewhere between 4700- 5100.

Like others have said, I would really only plan on 75 hours for financial reasons . Anything else is extra .

scudrunner13 10-15-2019 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 2905623)
Hired in January. Net Pay YTD is 35,420. Gross is 50,485. Reserve . Only broke gurnatee one time (credited 80 hours) because I had an Emergency Assignment, that was add pay . Never did a RSA or VDA , I have been called for a VDA twice , but didn't answer the phone .

Since I got off training pay, my monthly net varies somewhere between 4700- 5100.

Like others have said, I would really only plan on 75 hours for financial reasons . Anything else is extra .

Thank you for the info!

HighFlight 10-15-2019 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 2905443)
If you’re doing it correctly, it’s a big fallacy to say that someone that likes to have high credit months will run into the 100/1000 block limits. I’d even argue that someone that just flies their schedule and goes home blocks more than the guy that wants to hustle.

Define “correctly”, please. I’d certainly love to learn how to do it better.

I don’t think a 1-2 yr FO can block low and credit high on a regular basis, unless one is overly optimistic. I posted my actual numbers, and am the bottom of the line holders in my base. My numbers are accurate, even if you don’t agree with them. At this level, the trips are very non-productive. Perhaps at the 4-5 year mark, things will be better, but for now, I’d expect block and credit to be within 10-20% of each other.

nuball5 10-15-2019 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2905917)
Define “correctly”, please. I’d certainly love to learn how to do it better.

I don’t think a 1-2 yr FO can block low and credit high on a regular basis, unless one is overly optimistic. I posted my actual numbers, and am the bottom of the line holders in my base. My numbers are accurate, even if you don’t agree with them. At this level, the trips are very non-productive. Perhaps at the 4-5 year mark, things will be better, but for now, I’d expect block and credit to be within 10-20% of each other.

3-4 year 190 FO, currently at 145k YTD, and will probably end the year with a 2:1 credit to block. What I mean when I said “correctly” was just not jumping on the first opportunity to pick up open-time. Before you do that, just take a quick look at the weekly weather forecast or the reserve availability. Good example was this past January. Had a 2-day trip on my schedule....saw that the Northeast might be getting some snow. So I UTO’d that 2-day and a couple days later I get called for a VDA for that same exact 2-day. Patience is a virtue sometimes. I also try and PTO a couple trips and try and do broken pairings with deadheads instead over the same footprint. It’s not easy all the time I’ll admit and takes some work but it’s still less work than blocking 90 hours/month which I’ve never done. Hope that provides some clarity on what I meant.


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