Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2971125)

So... zero out of pocket. Another way of saying free to you. As in you did not pay for it. As you said, we have more than enough money for uniforms/tailoring/other items. We are saying the same thing with different words. Someone else is paying for your uniforms.

Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2971180)

I forgot about blue shirt V2! The ones that your t shirt stuck out the sleeve! The body was cut like a garbage bag and the arm holes cut like paper towel rolls. Thanks Warren.

For the tailoring guys... tailoring isn’t free you can elect to have it deducted from your uniform stipend, but it’s the same $200 you get to buy uniforms. Choosing between a new shirt or tailoring an old one isnt my idea of paid for by the company.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 2971394)

Damn. Anything can easily set off a 5 page thread. On this episode, free vs not free. Next episode, rice vs sticky rice?

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2971400)

easy mango sticky rice.....the end.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2971398)

actually that was the original shirt that came with the uniform. Before that was the one that wouldn’t fade.

Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2971081)

How much have you paid, out of your own pocket, for tailoring?

Originally Posted by PackPilot (Post 2971886)

I paid probably $60 out of my own pocket to get my jacket and pants tailored as a new hire. No $200 available. Didn’t get my shirts tailored but they need it. I’m gonna buy ACA with my own money instead for probably $100, using money out of my pocket.


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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 2972059)

I will not pay out of pocket to make up for the company's incompetence.

They will get what they pay for.

When I started, we used The Field Shops in Miami. Excellent product and THEY tailored the uniform to fit us. It was a quality uniform and it fit well. Now, the company seems to think it is acceptable for us to measure ourselves and take time out of our personal lives to take our pieces to our local tailor. Now, the company uses sub-standard uniforms and a sub-standard supplier (HPI). If that is what they want, then so be it.

Gup

Originally Posted by PackPilot (Post 2971886)

I paid probably $60 out of my own pocket to get my jacket and pants tailored as a new hire. No $200 available. Didn’t get my shirts tailored but they need it. I’m gonna buy ACA with my own money instead for probably $100, using money out of my pocket.


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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2972146)

It up to us to tailor their uniform?



They own it. Not me.



Thier plan is for the group to handle it on our own for them. It’s the model. Not only with uniforms but almost everything else.



Stop enabling!!!

Originally Posted by HogEars (Post 2972245)

Black slacks & suit jacket. White shirt. Blue stripes on jacket sleeves and blue stripes on black epaulets. Thin blue stripes on black tie.

Done.

But, we're not supposed to look like pilots. So that will never happen.

Originally Posted by Ted Striker (Post 2972235)

Either way it’s a moot point. With the regular uniform we look more like TSA agents than pilots and with the overcoat, you are just a random passenger in the boarding area.

Originally Posted by contrails12 (Post 2972233)

When any pilot looks like crap it hurts the profession.

Originally Posted by Brickhut (Post 2972291)

I seem to remember that, back in the day, the uniform shirt was actually the same shade as the current TSA royal blue? Also, saw more than a few pilots with goatees back then. Was there a time when facial hair, other than a mustache, was allowed?

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 2972298)

We had lots of guys with goatees, long hair, dreadlocks. It was (is?) a motley crew.

Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2972296)

Which is what they are counting on.

Our values, character and integrity are a weakness to this type of management style.

JetBlue used to supply a quality uniform that fit and tailored them.

Now they don’t. Solution? They pilot group will do it.

Pilots enabling management has a greater affect on the profession than my ballon power blue shirt.

Originally Posted by contrails12 (Post 2972314)

Yeah, you’ll really show them by looking like a slob. It just gives them more ammo at the negotiating table.

If you want to look like or act like a circus clown expect to get paid peanuts. ALPA guidance is to look like a commensurate professional at all times.

Originally Posted by 1sttimer (Post 2972318)

How does looking like a slob in the uniform that they have picked out and supply give them negotiating power?

Originally Posted by Brickhut (Post 2972313)

Can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. My sister in law worked for you guys in the mid -2000’s, and I did a ton of pass-riding back then when I was a corporate guy. Never saw dreadlocks or long hair, but saw a few goats.

Originally Posted by contrails12 (Post 2972314)

Yeah, you’ll really show them by looking like a slob. It just gives them more ammo at the negotiating table.

If you want to look like or act like a circus clown expect to get paid peanuts. ALPA guidance is to look like a commensurate professional at all times.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 2972298)

Yes, those shirts came out right before the TSA had new shirts, which just so happened to be almost the exact same color. They were awful for so many reasons. We had lots of guys with goatees, long hair, dreadlocks. It was (is?) a motley crew.

Originally Posted by jtrain609 (Post 2972408)

I hope y'all are as worked up about scope during the next contract as you are uniforms.

Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2972353)

A few years during the great “cotton shortage” we we losing pilots left and right. Their used uniforms were “organized” in huge pile and new hires were told to rummage though and find shirts that fit.


Remember the plastic shirts. Those were “high tech”. Guys went out on bought their own. I just wore the old shirt

That is the model.

Let’s all fix it! Ha ha ha ha ha!

You just don’t understand that is great leadership and management in their minds.

This issue has been going on for well over a decade.

When are the rain coats arriving! They said they were at the same time “allowing” us to bring our own.

What was the real solution?

Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2972425)

I thought scope was handled.

Except the domestic narrowbody hole!

“Pennies on the dollar” is our protection

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2972456)

I still believe Moxy, and/or Alaska will be filling that hole....

Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 2973175)

Guys, don’t forget that if you forget to wear your jacket in the terminal there could be consequences that have a long term effect on your career.

Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 2973175)

Guys, don’t forget that if you forget to wear your jacket in the terminal there could be consequences that have a long term effect on your career.

Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 2973213)

was that in the Chief pilot email?

Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2973299)

Yup. Almost verbatim.
Although, it said “intentional”. So forgetting to wear your jacket might be a stretch.

Originally Posted by Toonces (Post 2971050)

I’m sure some people are harder on their uniforms. In my experience, I’m still wearing the original issued uniform after two years. Pants are in fine shape and the shirts are ok. I’ll refresh the shirts this year. Tailoring cost me $15/shirt and the pants were $12 each. I had the shirts taken in and the sleeves hemmed, and the pants were hemmed only. One of my ties is indestructible and the other pattern falls apart after one use. I stopped wearing that pattern. The suiting jacket is in fine shape, the overcoat has hardly been worn, and the sweater is junk. However, it’s my favorite to wear due to its warmth so I deal with it.

I don’t get the *****ing about tailoring. The uniform allowance is plenty to cover it. If it isn’t, you should find a different tailor or accept that you want to spend more on “premium” tailoring. I’m sure an RSA will cover your next 5 years of tailoring.

The uniforms are the least of our problems. We should fix them if we can, but spend very little effort on it compared to the rest of our issues.


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