Uniforms?
 

“Rumor” is that we’re getting new uniform shirts. Switching to white shirts. Anyone hear different?

Please let this come to fruition.

Will they say United or Delta on them?

If white shirts cost $.01 less per 1,000 units, it's definitely happening.

That would be a welcome “rumor come true”.

Hope this rumor is true. Our current uniforms are a disgrace.

The last uniform rumor (Cut Above) came true. Although that wasn't so much a company thing. Hopefully this happens!

From an MEC update that came out today.


“Your Uniform Committee is aware that A Cut Above (ACA) makes a blue shirt similar in color to our approved shirts but with a better fit and higher quality materials. We approached management to try to make ACA shirts available through the HPI website.

Unfortunately, ACA and HPI could not reach an agreement. For the foreseeable future, ACA blue shirts will not be available at the HPI website and are not an approved uniform item. We have been informed HPI is looking for a manufacturer that can provide shirts similar to those produced by ACA.

We have not been approached to see new designs or materials. Nor have we been asked to field test new shirts. Therefore, we do not know the status of this project other than that the Company is "searching." Unlike with the most recent uniform reissue, management is now required to work with our union if any changes will be made to uniform fit or materials used (CBA 26.V).”


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never happen...

we’re part of “the brand”

It may not be approved, but I’ll continue wearing it. Those garbage shirts they sell at the company store are tailored to the overweight masses. Maybe JG will recognize the fact that I’m “out of uniform” the next time she rides. Based on the appearance of some of our guys, I strongly doubt it.

edit: I had to have the epaulettes altered to fit the standard airline shirt. It’s gone unnoticed.

I wear the van heusen and have it tailored. While it’s not ACA, it’s decent and looks professional.

still looking for pants though...

Soo...merger? :p

Costs me the same to have those Van Heusen tablecloths tailored as it does to buy new ACAs. I’ll keep buying the ACA since they fit a normal sized person right off the rack.

This...

Filler

Tailoring is free. But I agree, ACA shirts are nice.

True, but at the rate the ties disintegrate you’ll need to save your uniform allowance for them.

edit: maybe it’s the drool from my non-stop LGB redeyes.

Wow where did you hear this. It would be nice to just do a full uniform redo but only if pilots actually get a chance to weigh in. But that would cost money so I doubt it. Or maybe it’s part of our 20 year anniversary, change stuff up. I just don’t see “brand” going for it and god knows they run stuff here. Which given recent changes is kind of funny. All I know is whatever they come out with our CP will definitely approve no matter what the pilots think.

Tailoring is free? Huh, I must have missed that clause in the contract.

Yes, I know what you meant, and it is NOT free. It comes out of your measly uniform allowance, and a friend's tailoring ate up over a year's worth. Therefore some future items he will have to pay out of pocket for.

For those who unfortunately don't read HighFlight's posts through a thick blue juice filter: tailoring is NOT free at JB.

Ahhh, the Negative Nancy of JB pipes up yet again!

JB gives us money for uniforms. It's more than I need to buy uniforms (I take good care of my clothes; perhaps you do not), so the extra pays for my tailoring. Total cost to me? $0.00. So I call it free. You call it whatever you want.

How about you post YOUR experience, not your "friends"? I get mine done for $15 each. How much do YOU pay? Or is tailoring not needed in your case?

What are you DOING to your ties? I only have the originals that were issued, and they are still in great shape, probably been washed in a machine about three or four times each?

My tailoring is about $35/shirt and $50/pair pants. It would be much less if the items I took to the tailor were of higher quality.

By your logic, all your meals are FREE because you get a per diem. No. The per diem, like your uniform allowance, are items that were negotiated for and were weighed against other compensation items, and neither are enough to cover your actual expenses.

Tailoring at JB is not free. It is not being a Negative Nancy to state the facts, however you seem to think anything that isn't a glowing endorsement of JB or anything that corrects your factually-challenged posts is negative.

When did we get this uniform? I think it was 2012.... so probably going to change it again soon.

hmmmmm I think 2013?

We had the 2011 blue and different wings. At some point we got those other blue shirts that we’re supposed to not fade but apparently could easily catch fire. The dumb overcoat was an option and the leather was eventually phased out.

I don’t know they made such of a production of it before I doubt they would just be like here white shirts.

I am curious what they will do for 20 years.
hmmmmm 20 super passes to be used in 20 days?

Anything that does not come out of my pocket is free to me. Sorry if that is a concept you cannot grasp. JB pays for it, not me. I do not pay for uniforms. I do not pay for tailoring. I do not pay for jet fuel. I do not pay for hotels on overnights. All of those things are no cost to me, therefore free to me.

As for the bolded statement, both are more than enough to cover my actual expenses. Perhaps your spending habits need a review?

But only to the 20 Dominican cities of their designation.

Darn didn’t think of that.

how long have you been here? My original shirt had all the buttons pop off within 6 months, my tie literally had the whole bottom seam come off. I’m not going to spend the money that is dedicated tobuying new uniforms on tailoring a horrendous shirt. If they want to let us only get a tent, that’s what I’m going to wear no matter how sloppy I look.... it’s their brand they are not trying to protect....

Almost two years. And as you say, I did not tailor my shirts the first year (wasn't going to PAY for it myself, as opposed to JB paying for it after year 1). But I'm still wearing the original pants and shirts, plus two more shirts I bought this year and let JB pay for the tailoring. All my ties have been good so far. Maybe I got lucky with my batch.

Good god we are in trouble at this place on our next contract.

Tailoring .... is... not ... free. At all. This is literally black and white. If there was an option after the purchase of your shirt/pants to have them tailored literally for free, as in, shirt $35 + take it to wherever you want and we will reimburse you for your tailoring cost via payroll, and it will not be deducted in anyway from your uniform account.....then yes FREE. Not allocating and budgeting your allowance to factor in tailoring costs from your OWN allotted allowance which you are able to spend as you see fit.

Jetblue will allow you to use you uniform allowance money for tailoring costs, assuming you have any left to use for tailoring. There is a stark difference between using your own uniform allowance account money and having tailoring covered for FREE from the company, for every said purchased article of clothing.

I’m sure some people are harder on their uniforms. In my experience, I’m still wearing the original issued uniform after two years. Pants are in fine shape and the shirts are ok. I’ll refresh the shirts this year. Tailoring cost me $15/shirt and the pants were $12 each. I had the shirts taken in and the sleeves hemmed, and the pants were hemmed only. One of my ties is indestructible and the other pattern falls apart after one use. I stopped wearing that pattern. The suiting jacket is in fine shape, the overcoat has hardly been worn, and the sweater is junk. However, it’s my favorite to wear due to its warmth so I deal with it.

I don’t get the *****ing about tailoring. The uniform allowance is plenty to cover it. If it isn’t, you should find a different tailor or accept that you want to spend more on “premium” tailoring. I’m sure an RSA will cover your next 5 years of tailoring.

The uniforms are the least of our problems. We should fix them if we can, but spend very little effort on it compared to the rest of our issues.


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Just chiming in that tailoring isn’t remotely free. At all.
And neither is food at the lodge.

How much have you paid, out of your own pocket, for tailoring?

Thank you. Glad to see I am not the only one who feels this way and isn't afraid to say so.

An RSA will pay for my tailoring......?

I'm disgusted at this comment.
Your attitude is counterproductive to the advancement of the Airline Pilot Profession.

If you were serious.

I hope you weren't.

Please tell me you were being sarcastic. What's terribly sad is that I have to ask given this pilot group.

I used negotiated monies that I could have otherwise used to purchase luggage, more uniform pieces, etc. I had to make the decision to use that money towards tailoring. I also don’t pay for parking if I report in less than 2.5 hours, that’s a negotiated benefit, not free parking.

I feel we have enough to pay for everything, but it’s not “free”.
And of my three shirts, within a year I’ve had one epaulet fall apart, a hole in the seem of a pair of pants, and I flew less that 300 hours. And I ONLY dry clean.

overcoat
 

I'm still owed $150 for an overcoat.

Yes we are in trouble next time around. Not only will we have the company working against us, but some of our own working against us too. Where do they find these people?!

So... zero out of pocket. Another way of saying free to you. As in you did not pay for it. As you said, we have more than enough money for uniforms/tailoring/other items. We are saying the same thing with different words. Someone else is paying for your uniforms.

I forgot about blue shirt V2! The ones that your t shirt stuck out the sleeve! The body was cut like a garbage bag and the arm holes cut like paper towel rolls. Thanks Warren.

For the tailoring guys... tailoring isn’t free you can elect to have it deducted from your uniform stipend, but it’s the same $200 you get to buy uniforms. Choosing between a new shirt or tailoring an old one isnt my idea of paid for by the company.

so your food on the road is free because it’s paid out of perdiem funds?

Breakfast is free at some hotels because you don’t pay for it. Most places, breakfast is not free. If you do have to pay for it using perdiem money, it is not free. Likewise, uniforms are not free.