Layover Quarantine/Procedures
11-08-2020, 08:54 AM
#51
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Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by Xtreme87
This is the truest statement on the internet. If you follow mainstream media, then find yourself arguing the points that you heard or read from those sources, congratulations, you have no mind of your own.
11-12-2020, 02:53 AM
#54
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When you think you’re wearing body armor but you’re really wearing lingerie....
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
all the Swiss cheese in the world won’t stop the air from taking the path of least resistance.
99% of those masks aren’t saving anyone from anything.
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
all the Swiss cheese in the world won’t stop the air from taking the path of least resistance.
99% of those masks aren’t saving anyone from anything.
Originally Posted by The701Express
And abstinence is the only way to guarantee not getting an STD, yet that doesn't stop people from getting it on.
The Swiss cheese model applies to safety outside of aviation, let's not pretend otherwise.
The Swiss cheese model applies to safety outside of aviation, let's not pretend otherwise.
11-12-2020, 07:01 AM
#55
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
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Posts: 290
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
When you think you’re wearing body armor but you’re really wearing lingerie....
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
all the Swiss cheese in the world won’t stop the air from taking the path of least resistance.
99% of those masks aren’t saving anyone from anything.
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
all the Swiss cheese in the world won’t stop the air from taking the path of least resistance.
99% of those masks aren’t saving anyone from anything.
Study measuring filter efficiency (2014, Korea)
- https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-oa-0201
- Evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm)
- N95 FFR filter — >95% efficiency
- Medical masks — 55% efficiency
- General (cloth) masks — 38% efficiency
- Handkerchiefs — 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency.
No layer of swiss cheese is perfect, but 55% reduction in aerosols and small particles is pretty good for a cheap and simple effort like wearing a medical mask.
Just as installing a kid's car seat into your car improperly renders it less safe than is achievable, the same goes for masks. We have regular child car seat education and installation inspections run by the local healthcare system in partnership with the fire and police department and even one of the car dealerships in my town. Why not the same approach to masks?
Clearly, masks are not a silver bullet and have never been suggested to be one by anyone informed on the subject, they're just a first step. Let's look at what our industry has achieved by taking extra steps to mitigate the threat of viral transmission.
Here's a look at the DoD study of covid transmission on aircraft:
https://crankyflier.com/2020/10/20/q...-on-airplanes/
So, what happened? Not much, frankly, and I mean that in the best possible way. Despite all these different configurations, the results were mostly the same. There was very little aerosol dispersion on the airplane. And why? Well, they confirmed that there were there “dominant protection factors” onboard.
- Frequent replacement of air (32 times per hour on the 767 and 35 times on the 777)
- Use of a HEPA filter during circulation to weed out particles
- The downward flow where air comes in at the top of the cabin and gets sucked out at the bottom
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-a...ry?id=73149839
No one is saying mask up and you're invincible. The multi-layered approach of threat reduction works when applied properly by motivated parties. We take that approach every day at our jobs. The government takes the same approach to auto safety, ensuring proper design of vehicles and their safety systems, certification of drivers, maintaining safe road conditions through federal, state, and local DOTs, and enforcing traffic laws with police departments. None of those efforts alone has been responsible for decreasing rates of traffic deaths, they must be used in conjunction to be effective.
The problem we face now as a country is the conversion of the will of the people into action. An overwhelming majority of people support taking efforts to control the spread of the virus, like mask mandates.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...a18f9584061f8d
We're a nation that rationed food and had mandatory black outs during World War 2. I've seen a whole region come together to build a sandbag levy to save cities from rising floodwaters. Americans are willing and capable of rising to meet a great many challenges and overcome them collectively as a nation. We wouldn't be the nation we are today if we had resigned ourselves to failure in the face of adversity in the past, so let's not start with that hazardous attitude today.
11-12-2020, 11:43 AM
#56
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
Originally Posted by The701Express
From the link you provided:
No layer of swiss cheese is perfect, but 55% reduction in aerosols and small particles is pretty good for a cheap and simple effort like wearing a medical mask.
Just as installing a kid's car seat into your car improperly renders it less safe than is achievable, the same goes for masks. We have regular child car seat education and installation inspections run by the local healthcare system in partnership with the fire and police department and even one of the car dealerships in my town. Why not the same approach to masks?
Clearly, masks are not a silver bullet and have never been suggested to be one by anyone informed on the subject, they're just a first step. Let's look at what our industry has achieved by taking extra steps to mitigate the threat of viral transmission.
Here's a look at the DoD study of covid transmission on aircraft:
https://crankyflier.com/2020/10/20/q...-on-airplanes/
Air ventilation and filtration are also important ways to reduce risk as well. As a result, airline employees have lower covid infection rates than the general population.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-a...ry?id=73149839
No one is saying mask up and you're invincible. The multi-layered approach of threat reduction works when applied properly by motivated parties. We take that approach every day at our jobs. The government takes the same approach to auto safety, ensuring proper design of vehicles and their safety systems, certification of drivers, maintaining safe road conditions through federal, state, and local DOTs, and enforcing traffic laws with police departments. None of those efforts alone has been responsible for decreasing rates of traffic deaths, they must be used in conjunction to be effective.
The problem we face now as a country is the conversion of the will of the people into action. An overwhelming majority of people support taking efforts to control the spread of the virus, like mask mandates.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...a18f9584061f8d
We're a nation that rationed food and had mandatory black outs during World War 2. I've seen a whole region come together to build a sandbag levy to save cities from rising floodwaters. Americans are willing and capable of rising to meet a great many challenges and overcome them collectively as a nation. We wouldn't be the nation we are today if we had resigned ourselves to failure in the face of adversity in the past, so let's not start with that hazardous attitude today.
No layer of swiss cheese is perfect, but 55% reduction in aerosols and small particles is pretty good for a cheap and simple effort like wearing a medical mask.
Just as installing a kid's car seat into your car improperly renders it less safe than is achievable, the same goes for masks. We have regular child car seat education and installation inspections run by the local healthcare system in partnership with the fire and police department and even one of the car dealerships in my town. Why not the same approach to masks?
Clearly, masks are not a silver bullet and have never been suggested to be one by anyone informed on the subject, they're just a first step. Let's look at what our industry has achieved by taking extra steps to mitigate the threat of viral transmission.
Here's a look at the DoD study of covid transmission on aircraft:
https://crankyflier.com/2020/10/20/q...-on-airplanes/
Air ventilation and filtration are also important ways to reduce risk as well. As a result, airline employees have lower covid infection rates than the general population.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-a...ry?id=73149839
No one is saying mask up and you're invincible. The multi-layered approach of threat reduction works when applied properly by motivated parties. We take that approach every day at our jobs. The government takes the same approach to auto safety, ensuring proper design of vehicles and their safety systems, certification of drivers, maintaining safe road conditions through federal, state, and local DOTs, and enforcing traffic laws with police departments. None of those efforts alone has been responsible for decreasing rates of traffic deaths, they must be used in conjunction to be effective.
The problem we face now as a country is the conversion of the will of the people into action. An overwhelming majority of people support taking efforts to control the spread of the virus, like mask mandates.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...a18f9584061f8d
We're a nation that rationed food and had mandatory black outs during World War 2. I've seen a whole region come together to build a sandbag levy to save cities from rising floodwaters. Americans are willing and capable of rising to meet a great many challenges and overcome them collectively as a nation. We wouldn't be the nation we are today if we had resigned ourselves to failure in the face of adversity in the past, so let's not start with that hazardous attitude today.
11-12-2020, 12:55 PM
#57
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by The701Express
From the link you provided:
No layer of swiss cheese is perfect, but 55% reduction in aerosols and small particles is pretty good for a cheap and simple effort like wearing a medical mask.
Just as installing a kid's car seat into your car improperly renders it less safe than is achievable, the same goes for masks. We have regular child car seat education and installation inspections run by the local healthcare system in partnership with the fire and police department and even one of the car dealerships in my town. Why not the same approach to masks?
Clearly, masks are not a silver bullet and have never been suggested to be one by anyone informed on the subject, they're just a first step. Let's look at what our industry has achieved by taking extra steps to mitigate the threat of viral transmission.
Here's a look at the DoD study of covid transmission on aircraft:
https://crankyflier.com/2020/10/20/q...-on-airplanes/
Air ventilation and filtration are also important ways to reduce risk as well. As a result, airline employees have lower covid infection rates than the general population.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-a...ry?id=73149839
No one is saying mask up and you're invincible. The multi-layered approach of threat reduction works when applied properly by motivated parties. We take that approach every day at our jobs. The government takes the same approach to auto safety, ensuring proper design of vehicles and their safety systems, certification of drivers, maintaining safe road conditions through federal, state, and local DOTs, and enforcing traffic laws with police departments. None of those efforts alone has been responsible for decreasing rates of traffic deaths, they must be used in conjunction to be effective.
The problem we face now as a country is the conversion of the will of the people into action. An overwhelming majority of people support taking efforts to control the spread of the virus, like mask mandates.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...a18f9584061f8d
We're a nation that rationed food and had mandatory black outs during World War 2. I've seen a whole region come together to build a sandbag levy to save cities from rising floodwaters. Americans are willing and capable of rising to meet a great many challenges and overcome them collectively as a nation. We wouldn't be the nation we are today if we had resigned ourselves to failure in the face of adversity in the past, so let's not start with that hazardous attitude today.
No layer of swiss cheese is perfect, but 55% reduction in aerosols and small particles is pretty good for a cheap and simple effort like wearing a medical mask.
Just as installing a kid's car seat into your car improperly renders it less safe than is achievable, the same goes for masks. We have regular child car seat education and installation inspections run by the local healthcare system in partnership with the fire and police department and even one of the car dealerships in my town. Why not the same approach to masks?
Clearly, masks are not a silver bullet and have never been suggested to be one by anyone informed on the subject, they're just a first step. Let's look at what our industry has achieved by taking extra steps to mitigate the threat of viral transmission.
Here's a look at the DoD study of covid transmission on aircraft:
https://crankyflier.com/2020/10/20/q...-on-airplanes/
Air ventilation and filtration are also important ways to reduce risk as well. As a result, airline employees have lower covid infection rates than the general population.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-a...ry?id=73149839
No one is saying mask up and you're invincible. The multi-layered approach of threat reduction works when applied properly by motivated parties. We take that approach every day at our jobs. The government takes the same approach to auto safety, ensuring proper design of vehicles and their safety systems, certification of drivers, maintaining safe road conditions through federal, state, and local DOTs, and enforcing traffic laws with police departments. None of those efforts alone has been responsible for decreasing rates of traffic deaths, they must be used in conjunction to be effective.
The problem we face now as a country is the conversion of the will of the people into action. An overwhelming majority of people support taking efforts to control the spread of the virus, like mask mandates.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...a18f9584061f8d
We're a nation that rationed food and had mandatory black outs during World War 2. I've seen a whole region come together to build a sandbag levy to save cities from rising floodwaters. Americans are willing and capable of rising to meet a great many challenges and overcome them collectively as a nation. We wouldn't be the nation we are today if we had resigned ourselves to failure in the face of adversity in the past, so let's not start with that hazardous attitude today.
12-08-2020, 10:18 AM
#59
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Joined APC: Mar 2020
Position: Airbus 320 Left
Posts: 254
Originally Posted by panpanpan
What’s the latest on Aruba layover restrictions?
12-08-2020, 10:23 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 331
Originally Posted by Descendto450
last time I checked wide open once your in. Standard COVID questionnaire plus temp check on the way in. I was there in August twice and one of the few places in our system with a sense of pre Covid normalcy.
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