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disenchantMINT 12-13-2021 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3335052)
There’s not a more futile exercise when a group of pilots try to argue over hotels and which ones are good. Your opinion doesn’t carry more weight than someone that’s satisfied with the hotels we have.

There’s more than just a few overnights that are good hotel/good location….again this is my opinion.

If someone was satisfied with a roadside La Quinta (fortunately this is a hypothetical) would you say their satisfaction trumps anyone else's opinion? There has to be some baseline and there are current properties that would fall below that baseline.

GuppyPuppy 12-13-2021 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by ilsbird (Post 3334994)
Hi everyone ,

I would like to request some honest feedback and input from someone who has been and looking to retire at JetBlue to pm me. I have some questions that I’d like to get some sincere feedback on as Jetblue has been and will be my career airline and I hope to get on eventually one day. I did come close last year when the pandemic hit as I did a video interview and then the country shut down and my app fell through the cracks during pandemic . However Im still keen and focused to join but have some things I’d like to share with a current JetBlue pilot who would be kind enough to give me some tips and advice . Would appreciate anyone’s time . I am a current 121 pilot for a cargo operation . Thank you and Happy Holidays to all on here . Fly safe .

Most items in our contract are not quite as good as legacy airlines. One can still make a great living here, however.

The biggest issue right now, IMO, is lack of aircraft larger than the 320/321. That is the lowest paying aircraft at most of the legacy airlines. Again, you can make a good living as a 320 captain here. The issue is that the 320 is the most senior aircraft here, while it is arguably the most junior aircraft at a legacy. You will understand the issue when you are stuck around the middle bidding percentiles for years. I will barely break the top 100 in my domicile before I retire.. If I flew the same aircraft at,, say United, I could have easily broken the top 100 and retired in the top 10.

By no means am I saying, "don't come here", but you should be aware of the ramifications of an airline without widebodies for the Uber senior to fly.

Of course, much depends on your age, hometown, and any other income source..

GP

morerudder69 12-13-2021 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by ilsbird (Post 3334994)
Hi everyone ,

I would like to request some honest feedback and input from someone who has been and looking to retire at JetBlue to pm me. I have some questions that I’d like to get some sincere feedback on as Jetblue has been and will be my career airline and I hope to get on eventually one day. I did come close last year when the pandemic hit as I did a video interview and then the country shut down and my app fell through the cracks during pandemic . However Im still keen and focused to join but have some things I’d like to share with a current JetBlue pilot who would be kind enough to give me some tips and advice . Would appreciate anyone’s time . I am a current 121 pilot for a cargo operation . Thank you and Happy Holidays to all on here . Fly safe .

If you did the virtual and the process stopped due to covid you should email them and ask if you can continue the process. You could have just been easily overlooked.

Quiet Storm 12-13-2021 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 3335356)
Most items in our contract are not quite as good as legacy airlines. One can still make a great living here, however.

The biggest issue right now, IMO, is lack of aircraft larger than the 320/321. That is the lowest paying aircraft at most of the legacy airlines. Again, you can make a good living as a 320 captain here. The issue is that the 320 is the most senior aircraft here, while it is arguably the most junior aircraft at a legacy. You will understand the issue when you are stuck around the middle bidding percentiles for years. I will barely break the top 100 in my domicile before I retire.. If I flew the same aircraft at,, say United, I could have easily broken the top 100 and retired in the top 10.

By no means am I saying, "don't come here", but you should be aware of the ramifications of an airline without widebodies for the Uber senior to fly.

Of course, much depends on your age, hometown, and any other income source..

GP

I make a good living as a 3rd year 320 FO . YMMV

PotatoChip 12-13-2021 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 3335356)
Most items in our contract are not quite as good as legacy airlines. One can still make a great living here, however.

The biggest issue right now, IMO, is lack of aircraft larger than the 320/321. That is the lowest paying aircraft at most of the legacy airlines. Again, you can make a good living as a 320 captain here. The issue is that the 320 is the most senior aircraft here, while it is arguably the most junior aircraft at a legacy. You will understand the issue when you are stuck around the middle bidding percentiles for years. I will barely break the top 100 in my domicile before I retire.. If I flew the same aircraft at,, say United, I could have easily broken the top 100 and retired in the top 10.

By no means am I saying, "don't come here", but you should be aware of the ramifications of an airline without widebodies for the Uber senior to fly.

Of course, much depends on your age, hometown, and any other income source..

GP

Ive tried explaining this to people over and over and over.
Some get it, too many don’t.

babyhands75 12-13-2021 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 3335374)
I make a good living as a 3rd year 320 FO . YMMV

how much did you take home?

Regional8ball 12-13-2021 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 3335406)
Ive tried explaining this to people over and over and over.
Some get it, too many don’t.

Many people are very happy making what they can at JetBlue and if the bases work and they enjoy the company and people then whats the big deal? Everyone is different and pilots complain no matter what their salary/contract situation is.

PotatoChip 12-14-2021 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by Regional8ball (Post 3335440)
Many people are very happy making what they can at JetBlue and if the bases work and they enjoy the company and people then whats the big deal? Everyone is different and pilots complain no matter what their salary/contract situation is.

It matters when we negotiate our CBA.

GuppyPuppy 12-14-2021 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 3335374)
I make a good living as a 3rd year 320 FO . YMMV

Everyone's situation is different. I can understand the attraction to JB if someone is from the Boston area and wants to stay there.

But, if someone has no desire for international long haul they might think JB is a good choice.. However, you can do that at any of the big three, if you desire. I'm talking about relative seniority. My guess is that a pilot can have much better relative seniority on a narrow body at any of the big 3 during their last 10 years as a captain, than they could on the same equipment at JB. Heck, even the first 10 years at a big 3 airline could yield better relative seniority at the big 3 than at JB.

Again, each pilot needs to figure out what works best for their situation and no one else's. I'm just trying to offer something that people might possibly overlook.

GP

Roy Biggins 12-14-2021 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 3335513)
Everyone's situation is different. I can understand the attraction to JB if someone is from the Boston area and wants to stay there.

But, if someone has no desire for international long haul they might think JB is a good choice.. However, you can do that at any of the big three, if you desire. I'm talking about relative seniority. My guess is that a pilot can have much better relative seniority on a narrow body at any of the big 3 during their last 10 years as a captain, than they could on the same equipment at JB. Heck, even the first 10 years at a big 3 airline could yield better relative seniority at the big 3 than at JB.

Again, each pilot needs to figure out what works best for their situation and no one else's. I'm just trying to offer something that people might possibly overlook.

GP

You make very good points GP. I will just add that the company has recently alluded to future WB flying (as well as Hawaiian plans). Who knows what the future holds.


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