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Bluedriver 06-21-2022 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by feltf4 (Post 3445091)
Yeah, I am going to go with most pilots barely can budget their own house hold. Let alone give financial advices... Most are good at predicting a recession though.................

10 out of 4 times pilots economic predictions come true...

Cockpit997 06-21-2022 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Wipeout (Post 3444969)
Exactly. That was my point before. Not moving to a career destination due to a potential recession is silly. Get to where you want to be ASAP. Then let the chips fall where they may.

If you say so, but like HE SAID, it’s not his destination, it’s a stepping stone. He doesn’t have the resume to be competitive when the music stops.

Bluedriver 06-21-2022 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3445131)
If you say so, but like HE SAID, it’s not his destination, it’s a stepping stone. He doesn’t have the resume to be competitive when the music stops.

Also true...

Flyhayes 06-22-2022 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3444990)
This could end up being a tougher recession, or a more standard one. We just don't know. But this is a historically good time for pilot demand so moving companies is less likely to be catastrophic than it was in previous recessions where pilots were a dime a two-dozen.

But in the end, you just don't really know, it is a risk...

Especially given the state of the industry. We're well beyond the post deregulation consolidation. Before the pandemic, analysts considered the US airline industry to have reached a sweet spot with the consolidations.

Biscoff 06-22-2022 10:00 PM

Upgrade time by base? Anyone ?

MainlineFlyer 06-23-2022 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by Biscoff (Post 3446193)
Upgrade time by base? Anyone ?

Right now its like 3-4 years in JFK, 5-7 in BOS and FLL, and infinity in MCO. If we merge with Spirit it will slow upgrades to a halt, so those times are very optimistic for new hires.

PotatoChip 06-23-2022 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3446215)
Right now its like 3-4 years in JFK, 5-7 in BOS and FLL, and infinity in MCO. If we merge with Spirit it will slow upgrades to a halt, so those times are very optimistic for new hires.

Those times are also for the E190, which is being retired.

nuball5 06-23-2022 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Biscoff (Post 3446193)
Upgrade time by base? Anyone ?


For 190 it’s approximately 3 years for 190 upgrade in BOS & JFK. Even with 190 retirements I don’t think it’ll deviate far from that number but it’s hard to tell because their plans for them always change. 190 BOS I’m more confident saying it will remain in the 3-4 range but it depends how many head over to the A320/A220. It’s 5-7 years currently for BOS A320 like Mainline Flyer said. 5-7 years on the 190 in BOS puts you roughly in the middle of the CA seniority list.

PotatoChip 06-23-2022 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3446436)
For 190 it’s approximately 3 years for 190 upgrade in BOS & JFK. Even with 190 retirements I don’t think it’ll deviate far from that number but it’s hard to tell because their plans for them always change. 190 BOS I’m more confident saying it will remain in the 3-4 range but it depends how many head over to the A320/A220. It’s 5-7 years currently for BOS A320 like Mainline Flyer said. 5-7 years on the 190 in BOS puts you roughly in the middle of the CA seniority list.

The airplane is going to be gone in three years. Sooo, I’m pretty sure it will deviate from three years, because, you know, in three years there won’t be anymore of them.

nuball5 06-23-2022 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 3446443)
The airplane is going to be gone in three years. Sooo, I’m pretty sure it will deviate from three years, because, you know, in three years there won’t be anymore of them.


The upgrade time in BOS during the 2018 post-CBA mass exodus got shaved off several years. That was without any growth. My crystal ball says it’ll be a similar trend for the next couple years until a significant number of 190’s are gone. Unless they halt A220 orders or fix the 190 pay, that 80%-100% seniority range will be a revolving door. Yes, once there are zero 190s there will be zero 190 pilots :D


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