Not necessarily. DTZ has ancillary benefits that create more and better trips in open time b/c people are less hesitant to drop knowing they can easily build their line back up.

Maybe I want to credit 120 hours this month, then go backpacking in Europe next month. Not everybody lives to serve the corporate overlords.

You're still really confused. The discussion was "dumping their entire schedule". Everyone CANNOT dump their entire schedule. That's what I said, and that's the ONLY point you should be arguing back against.

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Correct. If everyone dumped their schedule the reserves would get used up then junior assignments would happen (at 200% pay). But, it's really a moot point as that's just not how it happens in reality b/c people have different schedule goals. The point is DTZ helps everyone achieve those different scheduling goals. I'm not confused about this. Please take some time to grok how it works and how it benefits everyone.

I flew with a guy who came to jetblue from spirit. We discussed it for a little while and compared it to what jetblue has. I don’t think bluedriver and I misunderstand the system. But I think you guys grossly overstate your QOL and/or underestimate QOL elsewhere. Just comparing schedules with NK buddies, I haven’t really been impressed. Since last October I’ve averaged working 10 days a month as a lineholder between VAC, PTO, UTO, PTS, and UTS. I could have worked 0 days last month if I wanted. Or I could have picked up 150/175/200% almost every day. I flew two trips and enjoyed my time off because I don’t like going to work anymore and it’s just not worth my time. Guess what? Spirit isn’t the only place you can do that. And DTZ isn’t the only mechanism that allows that.

How could everyone dump their schedule? At some point (10% of the pilot group? Nobody will answer that question), if X% of spirit pilots dropped their whole schedule, the reserve grid would go red, and then nobody else could drop anything. So not, not everyone could dump their schedule.

That's where the red/green rules come into play. The company is req'd to start the month with 75% green days. The initial drop/swap goes in order of seniority. But, that rule forces them to adequately staff reserves, which keeps the rest of the month fairly green. It was 100% green at one point this month. So, no, everyone couldn't drop their entire schedule at the same time. But, it's entirely possible that everyone could drop to zero at varying times throughout the month. Make sense?

But, everyone dropping to zero at the same time is a hypothetical moot point that does not happen in reality because, you know, people need to earn a living. But the fact that DTZ is an option, hugely benefits everyone.

Being ex-USAF, I have a bunch of friends at the UA's and DL's and they can't do what we can with our schedules.

Now that we're kind of on the same page, I was responding to possibledeviation who said (paraphrasing) the he had dropped everything and sat for premium, and said "if he can do it, everyone can do it". So you see, we have a disconnect. He dropped his whole line, and sat the month waiting for X/Y. But everyone CANNOT do that, after approximately 10-20% of the lienholders tried to do that, maybe less, the grids would all go red. So he's wrong, everyone CANNOT do that, and that was the discussion you walked into telling me I was wrong.

For me, RED/GREEN is mandatory, and DT40-50 is also high on my list. Full ZERO is fine, if we can get it, but many other priorities fall higher on the list than full pure ZERO. Your list can look different, that's ok.

Yes. Again, everyone dropping to zero at the same time is a hypothetical situation that doesn't happen in reality. So, it's kind of pointless to talk about. But, I briefly explained what would happen in that scenario (ie: everyone would get lots of 200% pay).

Possibledeviation is correct in that everyone DOES have the option to drop trips and sit on the X/Y list. That's the beauty of it. Do it when you want if you are flexible with time and money. DTZ and the red/green rules make it work as a symbiotic package.

We already have full DTZ. It's arbitrated and won, rock solid, tested in the courts contract language. You don't give hard fought language like that up. Especially given the effort and sacrifices our predecessors put into creating and litigating for it. They set an industry leading standard for work rules.

No, there wouldn't be lots of 200%, because the grids would go red after 10-20% (or less) of people tried to drop, but the basic minimum required reserves would still be there. That's why the company has a red line in the first place, to protect them from not having enough reserves.

I believe you don't know your own airlines history. Red/green went to court and was upheld and therefore is rock solid. I do not believe DTZ was put to that same test/experience. I've seen enough incorrect info from you, so I will wait for other NKs to weigh in on that important distinction.

Like I said earlier, grid rules and DTZ are a package deal. Obviously, you can't DTZ if the company doesn't follow the grid rules. They are the same fight.

I don't understand why you keep arguing against pilots – talking about giving up hard won work rules for nothing in the best negotiating environment we've seen in decades. Or in the other thread, advocating for weaker profit sharing language.