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Flyby1206 04-25-2022 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3412114)
Why? Does Delta and UAL not hold a similar market share in NYC to what JB and NK would have?
Yep, JB+NK would be right between DL and UA for total NYC market share

https://www.panynj.gov/airports/en/s...ctivities.html

Bluedriver 04-25-2022 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3412119)
Yep, JB+NK would be right between DL and UA for total NYC market share

https://www.panynj.gov/airports/en/s...ctivities.html
Then I see no reason to give anything up... Especially if regulators want to strengthen a LCC against the current big 4.

Is that data with the NEA?

CincoDeMayo 04-25-2022 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3412092)
That's not what he said. He didn't answer directly, and doesn't believe a choice is required.
Yup. The most recent was the investor call he did when asked about this. He said that he expects the NEA lawsuit to be completed before the DOJ inquiry into the NK JBLU merger begins. When asked if he would give up the NEA he said “we don’t believe we have to do that for the merger to be approved”

It would be negotiating against himself to publicly put on the record that he is willing to Sophie Choice one of the two. He isn’t that foolish.

Flyby1206 04-25-2022 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3412134)
Then I see no reason to give anything up... Especially if regulators want to strengthen a LCC against the current big 4.

Is that data with the NEA?
Yes, here is the comparison 2019 vs 2021

2019 NYC region market share:
UA 23.44%
DL 23.38%
B6 12.84%
AA 11.87%
WN 2.79%
NK 2%

2021 NYC region market share:
UA 25.29%
DL 23.12%
B6 19.66%
AA 13.19%
NK 3.61%
WN 2.12%

NYC raw pax numbers are still way down compared to 2019 with DL/UA/AA around -40% compared to pre-pandemic. B6 is -16% and NK is flat.

Andy 04-25-2022 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3412114)
Why? Does Delta and UAL not hold a similar market share in NYC to what JB and NK would have?
DOJ needs its pound of flesh.

Popeye0537 04-25-2022 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by LloydBraun (Post 3411830)
Think some *********s on here just love trying to get people worked up. Looking back at past mergers , buyouts whatever and seems like almost all bases of both companies still around minus TWA. Yet looks to me like some Blue guys just loving trying to predict turmoil and misery for Spirit guys on bases closures. Really hope this doesn’t go through or gets shot down by DOJ.
Uhhhhh, I'm spirit and this is what I see happening.
I pray this goes through so I don't have to deal with F9.....ever

V2500 04-25-2022 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3412217)
Uhhhhh, I'm spirit and this is what I see happening.
I pray this goes through so I don't have to deal with F9.....ever
Anecdotally, about 90% of the B6 pilots that I talk to genuinely want this thing to happen. It would be a better future for all of us — more negotiating power, a better contract, and more bases.

LoopsMcDoops 04-25-2022 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3412217)
Uhhhhh, I'm spirit and this is what I see happening.
I pray this goes through so I don't have to deal with F9.....ever
Me too buddy.... me too. I'm mostly certain that if F9 gets us, i'm putting out some apps to see what options I have. All airline management is toxic I think, but F9 seems to be the worst of the worst in terms of their view of labor. Spending potentially almost 3 decades under F9 management is pretty much a non-starter for me. Life at Spirit pre-covid was amazing. Things have turned, but it's still not a bad place to be.

Macjet 04-26-2022 10:59 AM
Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3412217)
Uhhhhh, I'm spirit and this is what I see happening.
I pray this goes through so I don't have to deal with F9.....ever
+++++++++++++++++++++1

LoopsMcDoops 04-26-2022 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3412623)
+++++++++++++++++++++1
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1 Too. I'm just tired of waiting to find out what is going to happen. I feel like they've had long enough to sort this out. Twitter happend quicker than this. :D


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