Why stop there? Give back TWA, AMwest, Republic (1), Midwest and while you’re at it let’s bring back Morris Air for good measure.

F-it, bring back the Civil Aeronautics Board! 😂

For all the political connections JB has, I believe there are 4 huge airlines with connections and political contributions placing their thumb on the scale against approval.

The company can operate as 2 operating certificates. There is precedent for that (Republic, Atlas, etc.). It won't be as efficient, but they don't have to wait for a supreme court decision to actually merge. And in the meantime they could merge most of the operation, and maybe even transfer some assets to the JetBlue certificate. Annoying? Yes, but IMHO I don't think that's a deal-breaker. They WILL get the approval, eventually. Maybe it happens in late January of 2025...

Interesting idea. Maybe they win in court, but if the DOT won't back down they close on the sale and slowly move assets to the JB certificate?

Maybe? At the very least they could run them as 2 operations until such time that the DOT gets their heads extracted. 2 operations that work together for max efficiency.

Our contract does not allow for that

It would be interesting to see this play out with our respective scope clauses regarding merger transactions…. We at NK have certain protections in cases of a merger, but I’d need a Rep to digest the legalese for me; lots of lawyer talk….

Oh, darn. I guess it will just have to be scrapped then. Pack it up fellas, the CBA won't let it happen!


I'm pretty sure that if necessary, a temporary modification could be made with some stipulations. It is in all of our best interests that this thing go through.

I’m sure that it could be arranged… for a price

You mean like how our contract didn't allow the NEA? Holding my breath. :)

Hey, at least we'll get 2%.

When has that ever stopped them? Guarantee you the check is already written to the MEC to fix that little inconvenience. CK will be selling us that flica waiting room and a .01 per diem raise to make that happen.

As long as they are gonna pay us for it and the planes are brought onto our certificate and never allowed to move the other way.

swa/at style. That’s how they did it.

im just saying right now the contract doesn’t allow it and we better not allow a work around unless the language is very tight.

no dual ops without a plan to bring it all under one roof.

That's a Bingo.

CBA 1.0: clearly doesn’t allow focus city to focus city and focus city to international codeshare/JV.
Company: “We are going to do it anyway.”
ALPA: ok, but only for a 2% raise (for a loss to inflation).
*sell job sell job sell job because FEAR!!!*

ALPA will fold for a crappy LOA because there will be fear of the arbitrator, or fear of force majeure, or some other reason B6ALPA will spew to justify folding like the wet noodle they are, but they will be sure to get them next time. They have as much spine as a jellyfish.

^^^^^…..gets it

As long as they promise a Task Farce to look into Profit Sharing….. oh wait.

Expect nothing less under CK “leadership”

Oh good grief our guys would probably just ask for a cut above shirts and it’s a deal

Ahhh Frank Lorenzo returns. Man if anyone even thinks that dual ops would be ok they need to be shown a history book.

DOT hasn’t blocked a certificate transfer since deregulation. They’ll get handed their heads in court if they seriously try this.

Personally, I think this is a head fake by DOJ. They are going to lose the NEA issue and want leverage to get JetBlue to compromise on that so they can save face.

I think you overestimate the intelligence and skill of these people. I think the administration told them to do whatever it takes to block the merger, so that’s what they’re going to try to do. It is probably politically popular sadly.

A prominent court loss just before the election will not help them politically. Nor will an FAA administrator who knows little about aviation.

I mean it looks like this administration is ready to throw in the towel on the whole “student loan forgiveness” thing early on. Blocking B6/NK might just be another fight to lose for them at this point.

I’m pretty sure it already went through. I just flew with a guy that got over $10k forgiven. I’m looking forward to my refund check because I was responsible and paid mine.

It’s official: DOJ sues to block merger

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actually….probably business as usual at LSC

We might as well bring back regulation at this point. We're 75% of the way there.

They’re to busy trying to put together quality lines for APR to worry much about the DOJ today…. Oh wait.

Posturing. The government that created the big three blocking number 5 is laughable. But, then again, if you you’ve been around during the last 3 years….

I mean, I think it’ll get approved in the long run. What we’ll have to give in return remains to be seen. The DOT publicly considering blocking the transfer of Spirit’s certificate to us is absolutely ridiculous.

Nonetheless, it makes it very difficult to justify in court. And as for the DOT threat to stop transfer of the certificate, the Supreme Court is already gunning for a case to reverse the Chevron deference doctrine. This will be a perfect opportunity. Jet Blue ought to appeal for a restraining order on DOT immediately. This woukd be a real opportunity to rein in reckless executive branch conduct.

Hope it goes through, I don't think JB will survive without the merger... Just the cost to fight this for years is going to be decimating.

You’re not kidding. We’re pot committed at this point.

Fascinating. You sound really informed on this subject, can you tell us more?

If you think it’s bad over at JB you should see us here at NK, can’t keep new hires (or old hires) and haven’t made a profit since before Covid, at least you have figured out how to make money our management can’t/doesn’t care.

fascinating . The airline with almost 2B in cash post Covid, and 10B in assets will tank on some legal fees? Tell me more….

Got any stock tips you’d be willing to share too? Thanks

Buy hmbl 😂

Sadly B6ALPA simply reflects our pilot group. Fold, fear, wet noodle, jellyfish...those words can describe our group as well. We certainly need stronger leadership (no question) but it's our peers who have yet to reject a company offer.