Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3709384)

Get off my lawn! I just waxed it.

Originally Posted by nene (Post 3709082)

Not for sure, but suspect because some of the smaller airlines wanted to be part of the ID90 system of the time, but didn't want to have bigger airlines sending a lot of employees for very cheap fares on their metal. This is why the whole industry migrated to the ZED system for calculating "other airline interline" discounts around circa 2007/8 with the invent of the internet ticketing.

As an aside, to procure and use ID90 tix was a royal pain as well. You had to go to YOUR companies ticket counter and find the one agent that may remember where the binder was that reminded them how to issue them. You then paid the money and got paper tickets in advance. If you did this as a backup (or needed other airline tickets to backup), they had to repeat this process for each passenger. You had to get tix for any company/leg you MAY need in advance especially if going to a destination not served by your company because there was no way to procure the paper ticket except from your own company agent.

Then if you didn't end up using them, you again had to take them to your own companies ticket counter, hopefully without too much of a line, and stand there as they inputted at least 200 key strokes to effect a refund for each paper ticket. They did have an address where you could mail them and hope they were received and credited as well, but either way the current internet ZED system is sooooooo much user friendly and fair as it doesn't allow airlines to game the price, they either participate or not.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3711921)

B6 Pretrial Brief

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...67.290.0_1.pdf

DOJ Pretrial Brief

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...4267.289.0.pdf


After reading the DOJ and JB Pretrial Brief, I will be surprised if this merger does not get approved through the courts. The DOJ pretty much gave away every single ammo JB needed to shoot them with, from the NEA trial, for the merger trial. The DOJ overplayed it's hand in the NEA and now it is coming back to bite them in the same court.

Some highlights:

- The DOJ defined the relevant market at the route-level. This was pretty much blown out the water in B6 defense by just precedents (several cases going against picking route-level)


- DOJ wants to highlight 51 overlapping routes. In B6 defense, the data is outdated as 6 of those is gone and 36 of the remaining routes is solved by the divestitures. Leaving the DOJ with 9 out of hundreds of routes? Lol Pg 41


- DOJ argues that new entry to the divested gates/slots will not be quick enough to offset increase ticket costs. Even though F9 and Allegiant (and several others) is ready to testify how ready they are to enter, B6 is not required to prove other carriers will enter or the time-frame to which they will enter. They only need to prove the barrier to enter is low. Divestitures help prove this for the difficult markets.Also, they are no requirements for the slot/gate buyers to fly the same routes that NK flies today.


The B6 Pretrail Brief is a good read if you have time.

Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3711992)

I read some of it too and agree with what you’re saying. Although I thought JetBlue had a good case in their fight for the NEA so maybe I’m reading this stuff with bias. I wouldn’t be surprised with either outcome.

Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3712042)

There was no really any precedent set for the NEA, there is plenty for traditional mergers. Different cases…
Though, I too am biased…

Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3711992)

I read some of it too and agree with what you’re saying. Although I thought JetBlue had a good case in their fight for the NEA so maybe I’m reading this stuff with bias. I wouldn’t be surprised with either outcome.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3712091)

For the popular talk of the DOJ saying how JB will remove seats from NKs airplane which will lower capacity and increase fares, I found this excerpt pretty solid.

"JetBlue’s unique blend of low fares and high quality is widely known in the industry to bring the largest competitive impact, forcing other airlines to lower their fares, and improve their product offering, to compete with JetBlue.
See, e.g., Deutsche Telekom, 439 F. Supp. 3d at 239 (unilateral anticompetitive effects unlikely where “rather than . . . assuming the risk entailed by changing a successful business strategy, the merged company would instead more likely prefer to leverage the capacity benefits provided by the Proposed Merger to continue its successful business strategy on a greater scale”). With a bigger network and fleet, a bigger JetBlue will invoke a broader competitive response from rivals that will benefit flyers across routes."

Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3712105)

None of this matters…… this is the same administration that (in the middle of the world literally falling apart) has at the same time rolled out its war on “junk fees” which would literally force Spirit away from the ULCC model and probably force it into Ch11 or a merger for them to survive. Yet they will simultaneously attempt to block the B6 merger for the sake of preserving competition…. There is no consistency, coherence, nor strategy with this administration just arbitrary swinging of the hammer of power in the hopes they get something right!

Originally Posted by CareerPivot (Post 3712218)

"The “essential question” is whether, at the time of trial, there exists a substantial likelihood of future ham. United States v. Gen. Dynamics Corp., 415 U.S. 486, 505 (1974)"

I can't WAIT for some future ham!

Originally Posted by CareerPivot (Post 3712218)

"The “essential question” is whether, at the time of trial, there exists a substantial likelihood of future ham. United States v. Gen. Dynamics Corp., 415 U.S. 486, 505 (1974)"

I can't WAIT for some future ham!

Originally Posted by GrayFlyer (Post 3715294)

DOJ AND JETBLUE ANNOUNCE SPIRIT MERGER DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Omg it's happening!!!!!!!