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Old 10-31-2023 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by los74
With the $141 million loss (probably higher) in Q3 which includes August and September there is plenty of room to be concerned. B6 is posting losses 3 out of the 4 quarters. B6 is having the financial phone call via web as a listen only, so no questions allowed from investors. In three months B6 has lost 66% of share value which says the investors do not trust or have realized B6 is full of it and they are leaving the building. B6 always blames the weather, the NE, the E-190 and the everything else except the lack of competent people running the show and the horrible operations B6 runs. What load factor does B6 need to have to make a profit? The planes are almost full which means B6 needs about 100% load factor to make money. Historically airlines need to have a load factor of 60% to make a profit. The story that we operate out of the NE is old news and B6 decided to operate out of the NE so figure it out. All carriers operate out of the NE so B6 is not alone. The E190 excuse is also old news and those that are paid for should be used until there are enough A220s with the major mechanical issues with this airplane solved. Probably the most important thing is that B6 needs real new management and exterminate many unnecessary management positions to become lean and efficient.
While I agree with some of what you said, my take on the "Listen Only" choice from B6 is the fact that the Merger trial starts today. Any questions answered there could be taken out of context by the DOJ and used in the ongoing case with not much time for B6 to come up with a thorough response. They are pretty much trying to avoid curve balls, is what I think. If you look at NK, they have chosen to not have a Q3 earnings call at all, and I believe it's also for this very same reason. In my opinion, if that is the case, that's a good move.

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Old 10-31-2023 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
While I agree with some of what you said, my take on the "Listen Only" choice from B6 is the fact that the Merger trial starts today. Any questions answered there could be taken out of context by the DOJ and used in the ongoing case with not much time for B6 to come up with a thorough response. They are pretty much trying to avoid curve balls, is what I think. If you look at NK, they have chosen to not have a Q3 earnings call at all, and I believe it's also for this very same reason. In my opinion, if that is the case, that's a good move.

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They literally said just this exact thing on the earnings call.

​​​​​​Los74 has struck out again.
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Old 10-31-2023 | 06:17 AM
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Well, welcome to the “suck,” JBLU.

Sure seems like both these airlines need somethings to go “right” before anything turns around. Seems clearer than ever, both sides need each other. Both airline don’t have bright futures with the current trend and sure does seem the approval of this merger will be step 1 in trying to right both ships; knowing that will take a few years as well.

Buckle up.
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Old 10-31-2023 | 06:31 AM
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…and in the one day since this post another half of billion dollars has been wiped out from Spirit’s market cap. Market cap is currently down to 1.2 billion.
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Old 10-31-2023 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
…and in the one day since this post another half of billion dollars has been wiped out from Spirit’s market cap. Market cap is currently down to 1.2 billion.
To answer your original question, yes, we are concerned.
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Old 10-31-2023 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
…and in the one day since this post another half of billion dollars has been wiped out from Spirit’s market cap. Market cap is currently down to 1.2 billion.
Still exceeds B6’s current market cap. And the purchase price is 50% higher than both companies’ market caps combined, before the integration costs, which will be about the amount of each company’s individual market cap. What a disaster.
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Old 10-31-2023 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
…and in the one day since this post another half of billion dollars has been wiped out from Spirit’s market cap. Market cap is currently down to 1.2 billion.
How many times do people need to be told “market cap” isn’t the factor here, hardly ever is; especially since it’s larger than JBLUs.
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Old 10-31-2023 | 08:03 AM
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There's no good reason for JetBlue to lose money in the, what, busiest, most productive travel year... ever? So yeah, I'm concerned.

Just not sure what I want to do about it yet. If we merge, I give it 50/50 odds we can pull it off, especially with this management team. If we don't... I don't know, it seems pretty rudderless regardless. Maybe time to update the apps...
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Old 10-31-2023 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
How many times do people need to be told “market cap” isn’t the factor here, hardly ever is; especially since it’s larger than JBLUs.

So the fact that the market is essentially pricing in that the deal will be rejected and that Spirit will possibly face bankruptcy is not a factor? I think it’s very relevant.
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Old 10-31-2023 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
So the fact that the market is essentially pricing in that the deal will be rejected and that Spirit will possibly face bankruptcy is not a factor? I think it’s very relevant.
I don’t think spirit is all that much worse off financially than jetblue. Bankruptcy isn’t out of the question for both airlines independently, and certainly if they merge.
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