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Roy Biggins 04-15-2024 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by flyboy043 (Post 3792794)
There is zero means to growing in ORD. You would pull resources out of places that we need to be reinforcing like BOS and FLL to put them in ORD to eventually get run out of town by UA and AA. It would quite literally be impossible to compete. The only midwestern city that wouldn’t be constrained is maybe Detroit and even that’s a stretch. The Midwest makes zero sense a growing city would be the best bet now such as an Austin. And it would still be country center.

So just give up on the Midwest because….a pilot said so? That makes sense. With the right people, the right city, and the right commitment, I’m quite sure it’s possible. It would reuqure a “growth” plan. Not a “rob Peter to pay Paul” plan. But that’s something our management seems incapable of. I hope Joanna surprises me and turns this place around…we’re certainly counting on it.

gottagetout 04-15-2024 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3792799)
So just give up on the Midwest because….a pilot said so? That makes sense. With the right people, the right city, and the right commitment, I’m quite sure it’s possible. It would reuqure a “growth” plan. Not a “rob Peter to pay Paul” plan. But that’s something our management seems incapable of. I hope Joanna surprises me and turns this place around…we’re certainly counting on it.

Maybe we can just codeshare with envoy or gojet since we aren’t capable of growing on our own. In all seriousness, I don’t see Icahn sitting back to let his investment get squandered. It would behoove management to grow and become profitable because I think the other scenario would be breaking the airline apart and selling assets. It’s that simple. Grow or wither away.

Boomer 04-15-2024 10:56 AM

One NY snowstorm can cripple our entire airline for four days and whizz away all profits we were hoping to make that quarter.

This has happened time and time again in my decade at JetBlue. And we never learn from them.

It frustrates me beyond words that we continue to double-down on JFK knowing that our ONLY strategy is: "Hope there aren't snowstorms."

Flyby1206 04-15-2024 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3792799)
So just give up on the Midwest because….a pilot said so? That makes sense. With the right people, the right city, and the right commitment, I’m quite sure it’s possible. It would reuqure a “growth” plan. Not a “rob Peter to pay Paul” plan. But that’s something our management seems incapable of. I hope Joanna surprises me and turns this place around…we’re certainly counting on it.

In an alternate universe I could see us partnering with AA/oneworld and leasing gates in ORD to grow into a focus city supporting AA. But that’s a distant alternate universe and it ain’t happening here with Uncle Carl hanging around.

I think we will continue to retreat to the east coast hubs and max out BOS/JFK/FLL and then turn BOS/FLL into more traditional connect hubs with banks of inbound/outbound flights. Particularly with BOS connecting to Europe. JFK will remain O&D focused because of the poopshow it is on a blue sky day.

With an alliance membership we could probably do better with serving Midwest cities to the east coast hubs, but I think it’s just as likely we are sold/merged before that point.

Roy Biggins 04-15-2024 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3792828)
In an alternate universe I could see us partnering with AA/oneworld and leasing gates in ORD to grow into a focus city supporting AA. But that’s a distant alternate universe and it ain’t happening here with Uncle Carl hanging around.

I think we will continue to retreat to the east coast hubs and max out BOS/JFK/FLL and then turn BOS/FLL into more traditional connect hubs with banks of inbound/outbound flights. Particularly with BOS connecting to Europe. JFK will remain O&D focused because of the poopshow it is on a blue sky day.

With an alliance membership we could probably do better with serving Midwest cities to the east coast hubs, but I think it’s just as likely we are sold/merged before that point.

Agree with pretty much everything you said. It will take an alliance to grow and be viable…especially in markets we don’t currently serve. Icahn is the X factor. If this airline can turn things around and become even moderately profitable, he’ll easily triple his money. Or he shrinks it to package it and sell it. Who knows.

pilotpayne 04-16-2024 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3792904)
Agree with pretty much everything you said. It will take an alliance to grow and be viable…especially in markets we don’t currently serve. Icahn is the X factor. If this airline can turn things around and become even moderately profitable, he’ll easily triple his money. Or he shrinks it to package it and sell it. Who knows.

Yes the kids now have dad looking over their shoulder.

los74 04-16-2024 03:48 AM

From the jump seat: B6 dropping Gatwick and Amsterdam and the phrase wide body is not in the dictionary anymore. Big changes happening. It is interesting to see and picking up the routes that B6 is dropping. Robin had his nose on everything and obviously he screwed it up. Joanna letting people actually do their job.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.

los74 04-16-2024 03:50 AM

B6 needs to become officially part of the One World Alliance. No more Mickey Mouse agreements.

ARL120384 04-16-2024 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by los74 (Post 3793066)
From the jump seat: B6 dropping Gatwick and Amsterdam and the phrase wide body is not in the dictionary anymore. Big changes happening. It is interesting to see and picking up the routes that B6 is dropping. Robin had his nose on everything and obviously he screwed it up. Joanna letting people actually do their job.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.

Ahh the old jumpseat rumor. I don't believe that for a second. Theyve already mentioned that LGW underperforms, but the fight we made for AMS slots? I doubt it.

pilotpayne 04-16-2024 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by los74 (Post 3793066)
From the jump seat: B6 dropping Gatwick and Amsterdam and the phrase wide body is not in the dictionary anymore. Big changes happening. It is interesting to see and picking up the routes that B6 is dropping. Robin had his nose on everything and obviously he screwed it up. Joanna letting people actually do their job.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.

was that (it’s interesting to see “who” is picking up the routes we are dropping?

What are the other big changes?


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