Time for accountability in CBA 2.0
03-22-2025 | 05:51 PM
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23.Q.12.c. A pilot who is not awarded a rotation because of an error or omission by Crew Scheduling will receive pay, no credit for no less than the rotation they should have been awarded (made whole)
03-22-2025 | 08:08 PM
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03-23-2025 | 12:50 AM
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Thats not a penalty for not following the contract. Thats compensation for an ERROR in the awarding of a rotation, line or reserve. There is plenty of compensation for errors, extended into days off, etc. There is no blanket penalties for the company not following a section with out having to grieve it and at the very least getting a cease and desist.
03-23-2025 | 02:40 AM
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In CBA 2.0, there must be provisions to make sure the company actually has an incentive to follow the contract. Do you know what happens now if they violate the contract? Nothing. The grievance process is a joke.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Too many anti union voting pilots.
03-26-2025 | 06:03 PM
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welcome to being a union member….we had an issue back at the regionals that cost many pilots, myself included several thousand dollars. For an FO making less than $20k to fly an RJ back then that can be the difference between putting food on the table or bankruptcy. We grieved it, several years later we won and got a settlement. The ALPA lawyers got 50%, then there were a few other hands in Herndon and the MEC that got greased. In the end I got a check for $235.
Contract provision or not, you’ll get screwed in the process
Contract provision or not, you’ll get screwed in the process
03-27-2025 | 09:44 AM
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There is something not correct in this post. ALPA attornies are salaried and don't work on percentages. I have never noted them to get a cut of any award. Nor have I ever seen ALPA take a cut. They get there cut via dues. Can you provide any supporting documentation for what you state?
03-28-2025 | 03:36 AM
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