Bang up job by the MEC
07-16-2025 | 05:23 PM
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07-17-2025 | 02:03 AM
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Wont be layoffs, it’ll be bankruptcy. They have a big payment in I think it’s month and half or so, give or take??? They don’t have the money for it and they know it.
I’ve been down this road, twice. It’s a very easy way to void and rewrite labor contracts by crying to the judge and having them shove it down our throat. The judges care very little about the labor force over the lien and shareholders
I’ve been down this road, twice. It’s a very easy way to void and rewrite labor contracts by crying to the judge and having them shove it down our throat. The judges care very little about the labor force over the lien and shareholders
07-17-2025 | 04:16 AM
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I suppose I'll be the dissenting voice here and say I think they should allow the VILs.
I haven't heard a compelling argument contrary to that opinion other than a version of "screw the company, it's their mess up," which I don't think is productive and akin to biting off your nose to spite your face.
Secondary to this I haven't heard the union articulate the risk of withholding the LOAs from the company which was alluded to in the last company email. Maybe it is nothing, maybe its something, but union has been pretty quiet about it. At least in the mass communications.
I haven't heard a compelling argument contrary to that opinion other than a version of "screw the company, it's their mess up," which I don't think is productive and akin to biting off your nose to spite your face.
Secondary to this I haven't heard the union articulate the risk of withholding the LOAs from the company which was alluded to in the last company email. Maybe it is nothing, maybe its something, but union has been pretty quiet about it. At least in the mass communications.
07-17-2025 | 05:03 AM
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I suppose I'll be the dissenting voice here and say I think they should allow the VILs.
I haven't heard a compelling argument contrary to that opinion other than a version of "screw the company, it's their mess up," which I don't think is productive and akin to biting off your nose to spite your face.
Secondary to this I haven't heard the union articulate the risk of withholding the LOAs from the company which was alluded to in the last company email. Maybe it is nothing, maybe its something, but union has been pretty quiet about it. At least in the mass communications.
I haven't heard a compelling argument contrary to that opinion other than a version of "screw the company, it's their mess up," which I don't think is productive and akin to biting off your nose to spite your face.
Secondary to this I haven't heard the union articulate the risk of withholding the LOAs from the company which was alluded to in the last company email. Maybe it is nothing, maybe its something, but union has been pretty quiet about it. At least in the mass communications.
I support the LEC's vote, but I do think its a win/win and we should allow VIL's.
07-17-2025 | 08:04 AM
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VIL’s were negotiators for the purpose of reducing staffing during an extremely difficult period. The intent was to reduce staffing at ALL bases.
jetblue is now trying to use VIL’s to adjust random staffing at random bases to recover from their own inept scheduling, displacement and downgrades. This was not the intent.
If the company wants to offer VIL’s to all bases in the same manner as AVL’s then the union would agree.
Agreed the union needs to communicate this concept better but F- - k jetblue. This staffing issue is solely of their own doing and it’s not the unions job to randomly fix it when the VIL is not a benefit OR available
to all pilots in seniority order.
jetblue is now trying to use VIL’s to adjust random staffing at random bases to recover from their own inept scheduling, displacement and downgrades. This was not the intent.
If the company wants to offer VIL’s to all bases in the same manner as AVL’s then the union would agree.
Agreed the union needs to communicate this concept better but F- - k jetblue. This staffing issue is solely of their own doing and it’s not the unions job to randomly fix it when the VIL is not a benefit OR available
to all pilots in seniority order.
07-17-2025 | 02:32 PM
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07-17-2025 | 03:40 PM
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Wont be layoffs, it’ll be bankruptcy. They have a big payment in I think it’s month and half or so, give or take??? They don’t have the money for it and they know it.
I’ve been down this road, twice. It’s a very easy way to void and rewrite labor contracts by crying to the judge and having them shove it down our throat. The judges care very little about the labor force over the lien and shareholders
I’ve been down this road, twice. It’s a very easy way to void and rewrite labor contracts by crying to the judge and having them shove it down our throat. The judges care very little about the labor force over the lien and shareholders
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