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PSU Flyer 04-28-2019 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2810312)
Seriously, we aren't the big 4 and never will be.

I’ll never understand why people make comments like this. It’s a good thing Southwest didn’t say, “We aren’t the big 3 and never will be.” It’s like telling your 4 year old that he isn’t an NFL player and never will be.

hilltopflyer 04-28-2019 11:23 AM

Or ups that they would never be paid more then them either... boggles my mind.

pilotpayne 04-28-2019 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2810372)
Explain to me why you don't think we deserve to get paid and have similar benefits to Delta/United/AA/SWA? Serious question. I never understood those who place themselves below these airlines so I'd love to get a little insight into your (and many like you) thinking.


I think we do. The only time I have a problem is guys not understanding what JetBlue is. If you live west of the Mississippi this is not a great option. As others had said what is it today. A smallish airline that flys narrow body planes that mainly go north south on the east coast with a current management team that does not really value employees beyond words. As long as you come knowing that I think you will be fine. It’s like going to SWA wondering why you aren’t flying to Europe yet.

pilotpayne 04-28-2019 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 2810404)
I’ll never understand why people make comments like this. It’s a good thing Southwest didn’t say, “We aren’t the big 3 and never will be.” It’s like telling your 4 year old that he isn’t an NFL player and never will be.

It would take an ALK/HA merger and still some major building to equal their route structure but I see no reason what our contracts can’t be right there.

pilotpayne 04-28-2019 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Climbto450 (Post 2810308)
I couldn’t agree more. Most of the early thirty FO’s i know aren’t applying anywhere and most of them where also no voters. I firmly believe contract 2.0 will be far better as most of us ultimately voted yes to have a starting point and a CBA (the FSM just wasn’t cutting it). I still enjoy going to work every day and will continue to work to make this place as great as I can. Even if it’s 1 flight at a time.

God I hope so. I agree with bluedriver has said before we should pretty much go straight to a labor dispute, given the crap they are still pulling. The only good thing is we have a baseline and instead of a whole contact we can really narrow it down. I’m sure people will say no everything needs to be fixed but I do think we are coming from a stronger place. My only worry is union leadership I hope they are getting ready NOW but I’m not so sure. And I hate to think that. But I have found their communication as of late pretty darn weak.

seekingblue 04-28-2019 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2810372)
Explain to me why you don't think we deserve to get paid and have similar benefits to Delta/United/AA/SWA? Serious question. I never understood those who place themselves below these airlines so I'd love to get a little insight into your (and many like you) thinking.

I think you misread my post. We deserve the same pay and basic benefits (health, 401k, etc.) but we will never have the same non-rev options. Also, our C-suite management is subpar— but we cannot control that.

seekingblue 04-28-2019 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2810415)
I think we do. The only time I have a problem is guys not understanding what JetBlue is. If you live west of the Mississippi this is not a great option. As others had said what is it today. A smallish airline that flys narrow body planes that mainly go north south on the east coast with a current management team that does not really value employees beyond words. As long as you come knowing that I think you will be fine. It’s like going to SWA wondering why you aren’t flying to Europe yet.

This.......

seekingblue 04-28-2019 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 2810404)
I’ll never understand why people make comments like this. It’s a good thing Southwest didn’t say, “We aren’t the big 3 and never will be.” It’s like telling your 4 year old that he isn’t an NFL player and never will be.

Bad analogy. It’s more like going to JetBlue and wondering why we don’t have widebodies.......

FYI. SWA new hires are leaving for the big 3. Because it’s not a legacy style major airline and those people think they can do better at the big 3......

BunkerF16 04-28-2019 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2810426)
I think you misread my post. We deserve the same pay and basic benefits (health, 401k, etc.) but we will never have the same non-rev options. Also, our C-suite management is subpar— but we cannot control that.




Ahh...okay...didn't realize it was a non-rev post...thanks for the clarification.

pilotpayne 04-28-2019 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2810431)
Bad analogy. It’s more like going to JetBlue and wondering why we don’t have widebodies.......

FYI. SWA new hires are leaving for the big 3. Because it’s not a legacy style major airline and those people think they can do better at the big 3......

Oh they absolutely are along with ALK Spirit and Frontier, heck I have a friend (I know shocking) that left AA to go to Delta. It’s 1998/99 all over. And it will be until this cycle is over. One day there will be some super jr Delta FO at the bottom of a 10k pilot group going how am I ever going to upgrade? Maybe we will start our retirements at that point, but we probably still won’t have the PS :)


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