Its the worst....
 

JetBlue is by far the worst airline I have ever worked for. My stuff is out and cant wait for a chance to go somewhere else.

You will just love JFK in the winter time sitting in a crashpad with 7 other smelly cheap dumb *** pilots.

THE PLACE SUX !!!!!!

Oh and by the way, you will love to deadhead from the east coast all night and sit in OAK, SAN or LGB for 4 hours then fly that baby home. What you are tierd? Oh you must not like it here?

Good Luck !!!!

You should tell us how you really feel!

OK, I'll bite. For what other airlines have you worked?

I hate east/west flying, so I tend to agree with you on that.

Don't let it get you down,
Skybolt

With a great attitude like that good luck getting hired anywhere.

Total Flamebait.

he may be a poser, i shared a crash pad with a bunch of B6 guys back in '03 when I was flying out of JFK, the lads seemed pretty happy, they were a good bunch,and I wish them well.

Attitudes Change
 

Attitudes can change over a short time. The honeymoon is probably over by now. Three years ago everyone was thinking that JB was going to take over the world and pay its pilots like rock stars. Now that picture has changed a bit. Suddenly the reality might be setting in that management intends to work them like everyone else and advances in pay will have to be fought over.

SkyHigh

Living the dream
 

LIVING THE DREAM ! ! ! !

Good luck impressing anyone at an interview with an attitude like that:cool:

You could quit and let me take it.

I've talked to several folks over at JB (all friends and former coworkers at IDE), generally the guys in the 320 are happier than those in the E190. Of them, about 1/3 are looking actively for something other than JetBlue and feel that the "honeymoon is in fact over."

That's because it is. B6 pilots are learning what its like working for a non-union outfit that can and will change the rules at a whim.

Do any of you think other major carriers honor 100% of thier contracts? Grievences number in the hundreds at some carriers so to think the grass is greener is unwise.

All carriers have thier issues and JB is no different. I get fustrated with the constant changes and the non-standard interpretations of company policy and procedurs too. But there are scheduling and pay benefits here that far exceed anything I had at NWA (ex. Premium pay above 70hrs, Reserve scheduling, Flica, PTO, Junior Pay).

Do I have to mention the less than friendly attitudes crewmembers have towards one another at United, AMR, US Airways and Northwest compaired to what they are at JB as well?

[QUOTE=Front Office;76607]JetBlue is by far the worst airline I have ever worked for. My stuff is out and cant wait for a chance to go somewhere else. [QUOTE]

Is JetBlue hiring dolts right of Air Universities? This clown "Front Office" obviously has no clue about the airline industry. He should get out once in awhile and talk to folks at other joints and see how green the grass is. As Borat would say...."NOT!"

Holly **** then my friend was telling the truth, they said they made a real big mistake going to JetBlue. I didn't believe him but after hearing the thread starter it may be true.

A friend of mines buddy is someone very high up at JB. They offered my friend to walk in the resume, my friend said he didn't feel like making $60 per hour for the next years with no upgrades in sight, so he declined. Signs of times at JB.

This is the kind of sentiment that is the problem with our industry. I always wonder what a scab is thinking when they are willing to work for a company where 95-99% of the guys just voted to risk their careers and strike. Do they think the pay and working conditions are OK for them. Don't they think they would be part of that 99% if they were there before the vote?

Toilet, I don't think you are a scab but you need to rethink your position on this.

Mike, correct me if I'm wrong and I'll probably get burnt to a total crisp here, but what the heck. Isn't a scab someone who crosses a picket line? Meaning, the union members are on strike and therefore no work is being done. In an effort to keep work going, the company hires other people off the streets. These other people may or may not be union members themselves. Whatever they might be, they are scabs because they took jobs that once belonged to the strikers.

However, if one of the union members decides to quit his job because he hates it there or he found something else better, the person hired to take his place is not a scab. In other words, if there is no strike, there can be no scabs.

So using this definition and this "fact pattern," Duck is not a scab. Right?

(I'd just like a "yes" or "no" answer since I don't want to turn this into yet another "what's a scab" thread).

oops dont want to change topic nvmd.

No, Toilet Duck is not a scab. He however is participating in lowering the standard pay for pilots.

I hope that answers your question.

You are correct. He is not a scab (as I indicated). I just feel that if someone hates the job and tells you why, what makes anyone think they will like it? I can see going there for experience but once they get it...

I think you get my point. It is hard enough to get 60% of a group to agree on something. When 99% agree to put it all on the line, they must have a good point. That's all.

Thanks, Mike for a thoughtful response. It's a shame the industry has deteriorated to this level, but many young people continue to be seduced by aviation and will do what is necessary to get to that dream.

Thanks, too, MHM. btw, do you miss Kai Tak? I do.

How is he participating in lowering the standard pay for pilots?

-LAFF

Who edited to How...

Ok, I'll try my hand at your question, LAFF. (Mike and MHM, again correct me if I'm wrong).

The original premise is that JetBlue pays poorly, has poor work rules, etc etc. The pilots are not happy. Some will have enough and leave. If ToiletDuck then applies for the job, he will likely be paid the poor wages which caused the other guy to leave. As long as a company has a supply of eager people willing to take poorly paying jobs, it will have no reason to raise its wages.

The conundrum is what should be done about this, if anything can be done at all.

Work at jet blue, log hours untill something better comes along. Alot of folks complain about the new eager pilots, when these same complainers, did the same thing when they started their career. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/hypocrite

Thanks...Maybe the original poster will try to explain himself...I don't buy your answer.

-LAFF

when you guys refer to "crash pad" does that mean that they are having you all share the same hotel room? I guess that would be kind of annoying.

From past experience as a passenger and at a university that works close with jetBlue, I agree that jetBlue is an airline that is doing its best to survive in this industry, and I have alot of respect for this carrier and their crew members (B6 term for all employees). All airlines go through rough times and this is their time, but they are gonna bounce back, some might not like jetblue but they are doing a great job in all areas, and are expanding in the right direction. Thanks just felt like sharing my part

Can pilot's at JB even file a grievance since there is no union? Maybe that could be the main negative point about JB; the feeling that as a pilot, you don't have anyone "in your corner," so to speak.

No, you can't file a grievance. That's only for pilots with contracts. At B6 you are on your own. You can be fired at any time for any reason. The "contract" isn't worth the paper its written on at B6 because its an individual service contract. They are under no obligation to continue paying the wage you hired in on nor maintain the work rules in place the day you got hired.

B6 is a cancer on the airline industry.

Most airlines provide each crewmember with their own hotel room while they are on a trip.

When you hear someone refer to a crash pad it is usually for crew members who do not live in a base they have to report to. Example, you live in Chicago but you are based in New York. You have to arrive at your base the night before if the trip leaves early. You have to pay for this on your own so you get together with other people that commute to save money by rooming together in a "crash pad", also at times called a "animal house".

Velocipede (dump name, dump picture)

you are an idiot.
Your union love is childish - you probably believe in the Easter Bunny, too.
JetBlue is the best airline I have ever worked for(including American Airlines, American Eagle, Comair, Kitty Hawk)partly because we don't have to adjust our behavior to 'contractual issues' imposed by some dump ass union lawyer puke.

Who do you work for? Have courage and stop hiding behind that ugly mask.
Apologies if this is not a mask but a real photo of you.

Inquiring minds want to know
 

Please help educate the lurkers and posters on this forum of the great things JB has contributed to the profession of airline pilots?? Please tell of the industry leading things you and your contemporaries are doing to improve your chosen profession?? :rolleyes:

Let's see - compared to AA first year pay is TWICE as much !!!
I've been here for 7 months and just got back from 15 days of vacation, that was not possible at the big, bad AMR Co. for years.
I'll be off Christmas and New Years - that never happened during the 5 years with AA.
It is fun to go to work and interact with fellow employees - we call them crewmembers. That did not occur at AA or AE ever.
It is fun to deliver a product to our customers (Passengers in everybody's elses lingo) which they actually like. Positive feedback from them - that also did not happen at AMR.
Embracing new tech - laptops with auto-update manuals versus the paperwork nighmare with revisions.
Live TV and XM Radio and future WiFi Internet in flight - after one flight with JetBlue all other airlines seem so outdated.
Free uniforms including Leather Jacket and baggage - ever noticed how sharp we look? Cargo guys take note -our F/A's have to wear High Heels.
Great pilot group - most guys are on their 4th airline and know...

Overall a positive outlook on life, the universe and everything - something you angry, mad at the world, sorry ass union believers never will understand.

So much for now, Happy Thanksgiving.

Yea for you. :o

Industry leading high heels
 

Well your $51 per hour first year is good, better than many, but hardly industry leading.
Laptops, auto-update manuals, live TV XM radio..... definitely industry leading.
Free uniforms?? Sorry others beat you guy to it. and, no I never noticed how sharp you look, but I'll check out the high heels when the opportunity presents.;)

Still, I can't help feel that if you got to boast about your FA's shoes, your reaching to show the rest of your profession the industry leading things that JB is bring to this industry. By the way, your 12 year (when you have one :D ) capt's on the E-190 will make less than a second year FedEx 727 FO. But you do get the high heels to look at. :D

Happy Thanksgiving

Don't know about you, but I can do without seeing all those male FAs in high heels.

But that is just me.

I'll admit I prefer flying on jetblue then any other carrier. I'm a big fan of the live tv. I also like the blue chips lol. As far as working for them I don't know im not there yet, but being a passenger it's spoiled me. Hate not having a tv in front of me now. Being that I live 10 minutes from JFK, jetblue has become my airline of choice.

btw... just an observation.. ive never seen you jblue guys wearing caps, is it just me or?
not that it really matters, just something I noticed.

G(scab)man,

Shame on you. A former ALPA member who willingly went to work for a non-union company who for the past 6 years has actively undercut Union contracts.

Bet you'd cross the first picket line you come to just to get another flying job after B6 collapses.

YOU are just another cancer cell in the B6 tumor.

I've known a couple of people who left FedEx because they hated it. Does that mean nobody should come to replace him?

I've only been at JB a relatively short time, but I am very happy here. Of course I'd like more $$$ - wouldn't we all. I am confident we'll get there.