Arbitration is the first week of may right?
I think we will find out pretty soon after how each side feels their risk is going forward, after talking to the arbitrator. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
(Post 3225773)
Arbitration is the first week of may right?
I think we will find out pretty soon after how each side feels their risk is going forward, after talking to the arbitrator. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
It is surprising the company has not tried to renegotiate considering objective arbitration should show this is a clear cut violation of the contract.
At this point it seems too late to renegotiate, unless they can at the last minute or after arbitration. |
Originally Posted by panpanpan
(Post 3225848)
It is surprising the company has not tried to renegotiate considering objective arbitration should show this is a clear cut violation of the contract.
At this point it seems too late to renegotiate, unless they can at the last minute or after arbitration. |
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
(Post 3225908)
Their messaging campaign is clear. “All this growth...all because of the NEA!!!” in every email. They are trying to show with all this messaging that not only was there no harm from the “disagreement about the contract,” but in fact a bunch of benefit to the pilot group. They will try to tell the arbitrator that this deal is in our best interest, and they are banking on getting a favorable ruling. They also will point out that every single one of our union leaders, save for the 2 JFK guys, as well as national, thought this deal was awesome (thanks to the sell job) as support for their case. In their eyes, worst case scenario: cease and desist the focus city to focus city/international, forcing the need to renegotiate only after an arbitrator says so, if they want that stuff codeshared. Best case for them: continue with business as usual with a huge arbitration victory, setting precedent for all future CBA violations, including scope. Which is dumb...why would they even negotiate for LOA13 section 1 relief if they thought they could do it anyway. But at this point, renegotiating is admitting and accepting defeat before they even have a chance to screw us. They won’t give up an opportunity to try when the downside for them is estimated to be no worse than a cease and desist. I’d love for them to get slapped with a huge fine just to deter them from doing this crap again, but I’m not optimistic.
You have two parties before the arbitrator who actively fought for the LOA to be passed. B6ALPAs sell job was the stuff of legend. You think they are going to put up a strong defense in front of the arbitrator? They were actively pitching for us to give away scope essentially for free! Now they get to be the ones "defending our contract"? Not holding my breath. |
Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer
(Post 3225959)
I think the outcome from arbitration will be poor for the pilot group.
You have two parties before the arbitrator who actively fought for the LOA to be passed. B6ALPAs sell job was the stuff of legend. You think they are going to put up a strong defense in front of the arbitrator? They were actively pitching for us to give away scope essentially for free! Now they get to be the ones "defending our contract"? Not holding my breath. This right here is what scares me the most. The MEC and national wanted this. I’m sure they are gonna go full bore [emoji849] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
If they don’t fight for our contract in arbitration and roll over then they should all be recalled.
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
(Post 3226053)
If they don’t fight for our contract in arbitration and roll over then they should all be recalled.
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
(Post 3226072)
is there way to get the notes from the arbitration so we know what was said?
we need the “minutes” of the meeting. |
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
(Post 3225908)
Their messaging campaign is clear. “All this growth...all because of the NEA!!!” in every email. They are trying to show with all this messaging that not only was there no harm from the “disagreement about the contract,” but in fact a bunch of benefit to the pilot group. They will try to tell the arbitrator that this deal is in our best interest, and they are banking on getting a favorable ruling. They also will point out that every single one of our union leaders, save for the 2 JFK guys, as well as national, thought this deal was awesome (thanks to the sell job) as support for their case. In their eyes, worst case scenario: cease and desist the focus city to focus city/international, forcing the need to renegotiate only after an arbitrator says so, if they want that stuff codeshared. Best case for them: continue with business as usual with a huge arbitration victory, setting precedent for all future CBA violations, including scope. Which is dumb...why would they even negotiate for LOA13 section 1 relief if they thought they could do it anyway. But at this point, renegotiating is admitting and accepting defeat before they even have a chance to screw us. They won’t give up an opportunity to try when the downside for them is estimated to be no worse than a cease and desist. I’d love for them to get slapped with a huge fine just to deter them from doing this crap again, but I’m not optimistic.
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