Contract Talks
 

I hear the company has there panties in a wad concerning your luggage grip slogans. They must be a little bitter about ALPA being on campus. I hope the JB pilots grow a pair and realize they are in contract talks, no favors to the company, fellas!

What do the luggage grips say?

"Contract Above All"

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Why are so worried about JB? Where are you at?

It is pretty sad that Mgmt is upset about the luggage wraps. Pretty sure we all know how negotiations are going to go from here on out. :rolleyes:

Spirit, we need a good strong contract and we need the pilots from JB to help pave the way. With the airlines making record profits, all pilot need to unify and help each other.

When will the management teams stop appeasing their shareholders and start recognizing their employees?

Most of our pilots hear at Spirit quit picking up open time at 200% after our CEO classified us as 2nd tier pilots. These management teams do not understand who moves the iron and who makes the money.

Hopefully all pilots will come together and will have enough dignity for our jobs and profession to demand better pay, work rules and overall, better contracts.

It is a one shot opportunity with low oil prices and such great demand.

Together we stand divided we fall!!!

Yep, they do favors every day by picking up rsa's and open time!

Yes sir, unfortunately we have pilots still picking up RSAs and going the extra mile for the company. Not wearing the liners to show support. It shows support to the JetBlue pilot group not alpa. I'm not an alpa fan, but I wear it to support my fellow blue shirt pilots, to show the company that we're United.

So many don't but yet the will agree we are under paid. Really makes me scratch my head as whatever lanyard they are wearing won't get them a pay raise. Paying 1.9% of your paycheck, might as well start believing!

Lanyards don't get u a pay raise but it shows unity and support to the cause of better compensation for our career. Ask Dave Barger if he had an attorney negotiate his contract with jblue. We lost our medical insurance quality, dependability, premium pay trigger, low credit trips,etc... All done without consulting us or just by sending out an email. The only way to get what we earned by working hard daily, it's by unity and support of each other. Whether we like or not, unions get u contracts.

Agreed, excited to see where we end up. A lot is riding on this for both the pilots and blewjets future.

I was amazed on the last IROP how many pilots where picking up trips in opentime. Dude, its your day off...go home. I had a trip the next day & not captain assigned when I went to bed the next morning they had assigned an RSA captain. I reminded him that we where in contract negotiations but I don't think he gets it. On the crewbus an FO was actively picking up day turns on his day off. On my commute home an AA captain asked how our negotiations where going, I commenced complaining about people picking up trips on their days off. His advice to me was do your part & just fly your minimum every month. He said eventually more people will get on board and I hope he is correct. So until we get a contract this cat is doing the min every month.

Preach on! The company brought a garbage compensation proposal to the table (ALPA's words not mine) and the same week they're begging pilots to fly in an IROP. Pretty much the Sytem Chief admitted we're understaffed. Please please please pick-up. Save us from our mismanagement. And we do.

-Bubs

After a couple of IROP's if the pilot group would stop picking stuff up we would get a contract in no time. As a pilot group we are our own worse enemy. I know the union can't come out and say stop picking up trips but people need to read between the lines. When the union tells us the company offered a substandard offer we need to do our part to make their job a little easier. A little hardship now will pay off in 6 months if we stopped picking up open time during IROP's.

Well a small example was the travel thing being extended because of guys not doing it. I totally agree with you, just think if nobody picked up an RSA. Everything would totally stop and the company would have no idea on what to do.

So true. If nobody picked up RSA/VDA and they started cancelling flights it would have more impact than not cleaning or any of the other band aids. We could really put the hurt on them if we showed some unity.

Every day there is RSA somewhere in the system. Imagine them cancelling 2 or more flights a day due to staffing.

They would never cancel a flight for a crew. They would extend somebody or get a chief pilot to fly.

Do not engage.

The MEC speaks for me.

Hopefully, those who can't read between the lines are starting to get the message. JFK FO open time has 4 open trips for tomorrow & only 7 reserve, I don't blame anyone who swaps for a more productive trip tomorrow but if you are off please don't pick anything up. Enjoy your time off, everyone needs their time away.

There is a whole lot more than 4 trips in open man. And plenty more to come, glad I got out of JFK when I did . Place is a wreck , people stranded cause of FLL and other FL cities now full from people shifting

Yeah I just checked, 8 trips in open time & only 7 reserve.

Would be nice to have a list of guys who are picking up RSA so we know who among us are actively working against securing a CBA.

Is there a place we can find out? We could do this outside of ALPA, and post it here.

I'm sure posting names here violates some rule somewhere. But if you're curious which of our "brothers" are selling us out, CrewTrac reserve availability shows the RSA codes. Just need to log in through BlueConnect if you're off the company network.

The issue is We have ALPA officers/reps picking up RSAs, I saw our Membership chair do RSA in MCO not long ago.

I'm telling you guys, there is no unity with this group and if anyone thinks we will see any type of TA this year you are out of your mind! I'm focusing my efforts on getting out of this place....

I'm not going to comment on anything having to do with CONTRACT TALKS...


just like my reps said not to...

Same here. Lets see who else will listen.

When I look at DRO list for tomorrow there is a captain available for one day yet he is not marked as his last day. Could that be a guy who volunteered for an RSA? JFK 320 Captain. We have several trips in open time for tonight and no reserves available so it looks like at least on Captains side people have stopped picking trips up. For me, until we get a contract I will not pick up an RSA or VDA.

How do guys feel about picking up open time? Ultimately its a similar effect as with RSA and VDA. I generally don't pick up trips but certainly know a lot of guys who do.

Like I said, guys on furlough = NO, below min days off = NO, contract negotiations = NO. If your commute went to sh*t and you're stuck, pick up a turn. If you're gonna go illegal because the airline can't operate unless its VFR, pick up a turn. Actually flying, but this whole RSA + VDA thing is a sham. Its funny guys + gals forget when we had time and a half above 70hrs. Now we get emails, just now, asking us to please pick up open time. You noticed how all the island turns that switched to DHs were done right @7am, right before the swap clause closes?

Jetblue's business model is based upon the the pilots & Fa's going above and beyond, doing extra. Once that ceases will be treated & compensated as professionals.

Remember, JetBlue is NOT an airline but rather a Brand

This is what so many guys just can't get through their thick skulls. They're actively working against a CBA for our group. Be sure to thank the next non-member you fly with his efforts to subvert our pilot group.

The open time trick that gets released at 7 am in such a scam !!! They drop these great trips in open time only to give them to a reserve , so I call to ask why she explain oh yeah we hold them to give them to reserves at 7.

So I say ok , but I want to fly the trip as I drop all my stuff in the windows borrowing PTO so I WANt to the fly the trip.

2 hours later they have an email saying they have no coverage and no reserves !!!! So they send out RSA emails .

I wonder how they got used !!!?


It's such a crapy crazy design , they shoot them sleeves in the foot

This is our chance! Do not pick up any RSA, VDA or RTF. We need a contract before summer! This is the only leverage we have. It's business not personal!

Really?!? Leadership 101...save praise for public, admonish in private.

If you feel that strongly, then have a little bit of courage to go along with your conviction. If it's that important to you then contact them in person, or via email, so that you can identify yourself, rather than exhibiting all the "courage" it takes to put up an anonymous post here on APC.

Also, if the MEC truly speaks for you and all the negotiating "experts" here on APC then follow their most recent guidance and stop talking about contract negotiations and tactics on sites like this.

Don't worry with our irops you will have plenty of chances.

I highly recommend not taking any RSA trips. Fact of the matter is most pilots are greedy and they will take them. I will bet my first year paycheck, we won't have a contract for another 18-20 months. The company saves about 400MM every year they don't have one. We can sit here and ***** about whatever we think, but nothing is going to happen anytime soon. The Railroad labor act from 1926, and it's amendment for the airline industry in 1934ish, only benefit the company, not the poor little union folks. Look at Hawaiian, and get ready for the sam type of outcome. JB is up for it's first contract, so expect the company to draw out as much time as it can. Until then, 100-150 pilots will continue to leave and go to a major airline. Face it...if we want major airline pay, then we are going to have to get on with a major airline. ALPA will never get a good contract for Frontier, JB, Hawaiian or any commuter it represents, because they make all their money off the Big 3 (UAL, Delta, and Fedex).

The sooner you stop giving *****'s the better you feel.

on aside? you been drinkin? how'd you get your sleeves on your feet?

Doom and gloom. ALPA is our local MEC and 300+ volunteers. And ALPA national has an incentive to lend their resources to JBALPA to bring us up to our peers in compensation, because that will lead to a 30-40% increase in dues revenues from 3500 pilots.

Even if you're planning to leave or thinking of leaving to go join a properly-compensated pilot group (count me in that group), please devote a little time and effort here at BlewJet to attend LEC meetings, wear your lanyard, educate juicers and lanyard-wearers alike about the ramifications of RSA pickup, and spend a couple of your off days holding a picket sign when the time comes. Otherwise, there's a saying... "This is why we can't have nice things."

Wouldn't they make even more if we all got good contracts?

You can't have it both ways.

ALPA won't get us a good contract because they make all their money off the big 3. That would mean that ALPA is only interested in money (maybe) which would mean ALPA would want us to get a great contract to make more money, right?

You seem really upset by this idea. I wonder why. Would it maybe impact you in some way? :rolleyes:

By the way, publishing a list of non members hopes to accomplish the same thing, compliance through shaming. That being said, I never published a list of RSA, VDA and open time whoores. I just floated it as an idea. So you are safe to keep screwing us all over for some more JRA pay.

The union is a necessary evil. Half of ALPA is made up of 30000 pilots, that they get 2% out of. 3500 more pilots will only equate to an extra 8MM in dues. Also, we pay the 2% for the last 20 months, and have received a few lanyards and pens. Do you think we will get that 2% back when we don't get retro pay? (1st contracts never get retro pay)
Once again, look at Hawaiian if you want to see how we will turn out. They have been trying to get a contract for 4 years, and nothing? If ALPA cared for them like they do for FedEx, UAL and Delta, then they would have a new contract by now?
I'll wear the lanyard and Pickett...hell, I'll even turn down any open time and RSA, but unless the MEC gets their **** together, our contract will be about 15-20% more than it is now.
Anyway, I'm hoping for the best, but expect the same result as Hawaiian!