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BlueJetDork 12-28-2016 06:22 AM
They would say DAL is mega carrier and we are not.

pilotpayne 12-28-2016 06:56 AM
Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2270566)
So you think the 2017 rates we get soon (Airbus CA $220 FO $149) would be the hypothetical PEA 2017 rates?

I think they'd be higher based on all the other contract raises.

I'm not sure what delta hiring/ firing has to do with anything but I guess you felt the need to bring them up?
He is being sarcastic and just saying what the company line would be

CaptCoolHand 12-28-2016 07:42 AM
They would say that we will be shooting for industry average, standard.

DAL, UAL, SWA are not in your peer set.

Look to Frontier, Spirit, and AA 190 rates... that's your peerset. Allegiant isn't in our peer set either... they have a unique model, it's failing too like DAL.

These are the words of the DR. This is what was involved in a PEA. you don't get to have a voice. they tell you what you're going to get. Take it or leave it.
The whole values system and committee structure was built to give you the perception not the reality of having a voice in any of the matter.

and yes of course the previous post was sarcasm, with a touch of truth. those were words fed to us my managment.

Bluedriver 12-28-2016 08:23 AM
Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2270566)
So you think the 2017 rates we get soon (Airbus CA $220 FO $149) would be the hypothetical PEA 2017 rates?

I think they'd be higher based on all the other contract raises.

I'm not sure what delta hiring/ firing has to do with anything but I guess you felt the need to bring them up?
Your head is so far up managments back side it is embarrassing. Just stop. What are you trying to accomplish? It's not helping PILOTS. Helping our current seniority list PILOTS should be your ONLY priority.

Tom a Hawk 12-28-2016 08:35 AM
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2270644)
They would say that we will be shooting for industry average, standard.

DAL, UAL, SWA are not in your peer set.

Look to Frontier, Spirit, and AA 190 rates... that's your peerset. Allegiant isn't in our peer set either... they have a unique model, it's failing too like DAL.

These are the words of the DR. This is what was involved in a PEA. you don't get to have a voice. they tell you what you're going to get. Take it or leave it.
The whole values system and committee structure was built to give you the perception not the reality of having a voice in any of the matter.

and yes of course the previous post was sarcasm, with a touch of truth. those were words fed to us my managment.
I thought it was funny. Some evidently haven't been here long enough to remember what was said during the last one. Rob M sitting in crewrooms for hours talking to pilots. I think that's all he was allowed to do before he left.

benzoate 12-28-2016 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk (Post 2270691)
I thought it was funny. Some evidently haven't been here long enough to remember what was said during the last one. Rob M sitting in crewrooms for hours talking to pilots. I think that's all he was allowed to do before he left.
Someone should post the MWW video stating how they duped the pilots once again into voting "NO".

CaptCoolHand 12-29-2016 04:04 AM
Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 2271112)
Someone should post the MWW video stating how they duped the pilots once again into voting "NO".
Yeeeees! God I hate that manatee...


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