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Didn't see anything current on these so thought maybe someone could answer a few things.
For a new hire what are bases and planes for shortest reserve time? How long is reserve? How hard is it to get FLL or MCO or about how long would you wait and is it only one type of AC flying from a specific base? Is there a way to avoid Long Beach? Is there a minimum amount of time you can drop down to or is it impossible to drop trips? Is there a Commuter policy? What is the current upgrade time. I would think the 190 would be quicker? Just a guess. Is it hard to get or expensive for crash pads in BOS OR JFK? Thanks I appreciate it |
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Originally Posted by STA323
(Post 2299836)
Didn't see anything current on these so thought maybe someone could answer a few things.
For a new hire what are bases and planes for shortest reserve time? How long is reserve? BOS 190 or JFK 320 are usually shortest reserve How hard is it to get FLL or MCO or about how long would you wait and is it only one type of AC flying from a specific base? FLL I think within a year if you get 320, it's only a 320 base MCO 190 maybe within a year as well but it's senior Is there a way to avoid Long Beach? you won't get it if you don't want it Is there a minimum amount of time you can drop down to or is it impossible to drop trips? min credit is 70. You can use PTO to go below that if you have some in your bank Is there a Commuter policy? Yes but I don't know it sorry. What is the current upgrade time. I would think the 190 would be quicker? Just a guess. 4 years on the 190 in BOS or JFK Is it hard to get or expensive for crash pads in BOS OR JFK? dont have one but I think around $250 in East Boston Thanks I appreciate it |
Originally Posted by rvr1800
(Post 2299841)
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MCO has been running longer than a year. My last FO is trying to get to MCO, and he was in his second year. The way they've been running the classes lately, the entire class can bid on whatever is available. For instance, there were 6 LGB slots available to the last class, but no one had to go there because there are plenty of other slots in JFK/BOS. I'm not aware of how many chose LGB, so there may still be 6 for the next class. |
FLL is longer than a year. Most junior FO to get awarded FLL on last bid is a November 2015 hire with a June transfer. 1.5 yrs would be a better estimate.
If you want MCO, you'll ge there quicker on the E190, but it'll still be a couple years. |
MCo 190 is almost exactly at 2 years now... 320 is much much more.
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Crashpads in New York are running $275-300 for decent places in Kew Gardens. May be a bit cheaper in Ozone Park but then you're in a tough spot for LGA flying..
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how long about for 320 upgrade?
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Originally Posted by denverpilot7
(Post 2300374)
how long about for 320 upgrade?
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Originally Posted by denverpilot7
(Post 2300374)
how long about for 320 upgrade?
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2300706)
15 years. Don't come here. Seriously.
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Originally Posted by denverpilot7
(Post 2300374)
how long about for 320 upgrade?
Most jr captain (e190) November 2013 |
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2300706)
15 years. Don't come here. Seriously.
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2300706)
15 years. Don't come here. Seriously.
While it's not quite 15 years now. It's something to ponder. the wave is cresting now for us. This assumes we take all our current deliveries and make no returns on leases. If you're not on property now the upgrade times will increase. Unless there's another aircraft order made 2022 is the end of the music. You better like your chair. Retirements don't even start to break 3 digits until about 2032. Our average pilot age is something like 42-44ish? We also have a good handful of thirty something captains. Many things will also hang on when we get and whats in the new contract. There's truth in exaggerations. |
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2300706)
15 years. Don't come here. Seriously.
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2300706)
15 years. Don't come here. Seriously.
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
(Post 2300846)
While it's not quite 15 years now. It's something to ponder. the wave is cresting now for us. This assumes we take all our current deliveries and make no returns on leases. If you're not on property now the upgrade times will increase. Unless there's another aircraft order made 2022 is the end of the music. You better like your chair. Retirements don't even start to break 3 digits until about 2032. Our average pilot age is something like 42-44ish? We also have a good handful of thirty something captains. Many things will also hang on when we get and whats in the new contract.
There's truth in exaggerations. |
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
(Post 2300905)
Please listen to those of us who are at B6 already. Wait it out and get to a real airline- B6 is 3/4 of a major at best.
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Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17
(Post 2301927)
He can be a direct entry CA on the 737-max for NAI doing crossings.
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From top to bottom jetblue operates more like a regional with big airplanes than a major. You essentially have milenials in management positions with zero industry experience making critical financial, route, order and safety decisions.
While this type of management is beneficial with respect to passenger issues it continues to show a regional airline level of dysfunction from an operating standpoint. Whether you've been here a year or 15 it's difficult to deny the consistant level of dysfunction. As a front line employee who's career depends on the behind the scenes decisions being made by these individuals it is very difficult to take. |
Originally Posted by benzoate
(Post 2304071)
From top to bottom jetblue operates more like a regional with big airplanes than a major. You essentially have milenials in management positions with zero industry experience making critical financial, route, order and safety decisions.
While this type of management is beneficial with respect to passenger issues it continues to show a regional airline level of dysfunction from an operating standpoint. Whether you've been here a year or 15 it's difficult to deny the consistant level of dysfunction. As a front line employee who's career depends on the behind the scenes decisions being made by these individuals it is very difficult to take. |
Originally Posted by benzoate
(Post 2304071)
From top to bottom jetblue operates more like a regional with big airplanes than a major. You essentially have milenials in management positions with zero industry experience making critical financial, route, order and safety decisions.
While this type of management is beneficial with respect to passenger issues it continues to show a regional airline level of dysfunction from an operating standpoint. Whether you've been here a year or 15 it's difficult to deny the consistant level of dysfunction. As a front line employee who's career depends on the behind the scenes decisions being made by these individuals it is very difficult to take. |
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
(Post 2304419)
"Regional with big airplanes" could not be stated more correctly Ben. In both OAK and LAS, the Captain and I had to take alternate transportation to the hotels when ACT and Larsen never showed. Jetblue, in its frugality, has proven unable to care for crew on the road effectively. No contract will fix these problems.
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Originally Posted by 727_Driver
(Post 2306993)
File a PDR. The union already has PDR's opens on this topic alone and wants all the ammo they can get
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
(Post 2307038)
They were filled out before the end of the trip- Hopefully, I can get out of chkn sht outfit before it ever gets addressed- Im fed up.
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Originally Posted by 727_Driver
(Post 2307047)
best of luck in your job search...
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
(Post 2307053)
I dread the process-thought I was done. Wheres my logbook?? Interview suit? Prep? :eek:
Don't forget the job fair if you wanna go to a Legacy. |
Originally Posted by nuball5
(Post 2307056)
Don't forget the job fair if you wanna go to a Legacy.
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Does JB have a commuter policy?
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I feel like I know the answers to these, but...1. Is there any way of knowing which equipment/base slots are available prior to a particular new hire class starting? 2. Can you specify a particular equipment type or base and wait for that class? I'd like the luxury of knowing what I'm getting myself into before I quit my current relatively decent job and take the plunge.
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No, and just like every other airline, no.
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Originally Posted by FlyingTaco
(Post 2335970)
I feel like I know the answers to these, but...1. Is there any way of knowing which equipment/base slots are available prior to a particular new hire class starting? 2. Can you specify a particular equipment type or base and wait for that class? I'd like the luxury of knowing what I'm getting myself into before I quit my current relatively decent job and take the plunge.
As the previous post said, no and no. But, there aren't very many E190 slots between now and September. Chances are very good that you'll be on the A320. You'll get to choose between JFK and BOS, and in the very next quarterly system bid you can transfer bases if you don't immediately get what you want. You won't hold FLL or MCO quickly on the A320, but LGB has been going junior in the last couple of bids. JFK and BOS always have vacancies. |
Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 2335853)
Does JB have a commuter policy?
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Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 2335994)
As the previous post said, no and no. But, there aren't very many E190 slots between now and September. Chances are very good that you'll be on the A320. You'll get to choose between JFK and BOS, and in the very next quarterly system bid you can transfer bases if you don't immediately get what you want. You won't hold FLL or MCO quickly on the A320, but LGB has been going junior in the last couple of bids. JFK and BOS always have vacancies.
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What are JetBlue's travel bennies like? As in, who gets them? Spouse, parents, and children only? Or are there "enrolled friends" and/or buddy passes?
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Originally Posted by captsurf
(Post 2336324)
What are JetBlue's travel bennies like? As in, who gets them? Spouse, parents, and children only? Or are there "enrolled friends" and/or buddy passes?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The main drawback to the travel benefits is JetBlue's "Caring" value in action: demanding that you glove up, work upstream and impede deplaning passengers while cleaning the cabin after your flight. They say it's to make for quicker turns, but if they wanted quicker turns they'd have cleaners work the cabin. It's really about control, but I won't get too far out on this tangent. Make sure you get all your booster shots prior to nonrev travel, at least until BlueJet comes to their senses. Currently there's no fee for travel, but they are hinting at starting to charge for the benefit of cleaning their planes for them. |
Originally Posted by atrdriver
(Post 2336333)
Spouse or travel companion if unmarried, parents, children. Buddy passes (4 per quarter I believe) after your first full quarter of employment. Dependents can travel on ZEDs after six months (except VX is three months I think).
The main drawback to the travel benefits is JetBlue's "Caring" value in action: demanding that you glove up, work upstream and impede deplaning passengers while cleaning the cabin after your flight. They say it's to make for quicker turns, but if they wanted quicker turns they'd have cleaners work the cabin. It's really about control, but I won't get too far out on this tangent. Make sure you get all your booster shots prior to nonrev travel, at least until BlueJet comes to their senses. Currently there's no fee for travel, but they are hinting at starting to charge for the benefit of cleaning their planes for them. Thanks for the info ATR. Good to know we get a travel companion for those of us that are too afraid to commit, or smart enough not to. These benefits are active in the beginning of training I'd assume, or once you watch "the video"? As for the cleaning, pretty sure that topic has been beat to death in the Blue Glove thread so I won't even stir up that pot. I do understand the point you're trying to get across though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Honestly, unless you live in one of the bases, the travel benefits are almost worthless. If you live in the midwest somewhere and want to go out West, you will have to go east first to JFK/BOS... then west. Good luck trying to line up your connection/schedule, as we will most likely only have 1 flight a day there, sometimes only on certain days, it will most likley be a redeye on the way back or involve a 5-8 hour airport appreciation sit before your connection. Want to sit in Mint? That'll be $75.
I buy tickets and give my money to DL, SWA, etc. when we travel, as you can't get anywhere on JB without giving up 2 days of travelling because of our crap flight schedules. |
Originally Posted by capt707
(Post 2336350)
Honestly, unless you live in one of the bases, the travel benefits are almost worthless
I live in JFK. Currently cargo with zero travel benefits or ZED agreements. Only benefit we get is we keep miles on commercial flights booked for company travel, but even those are fairly useless now a'days. Something's better than nothing I guess... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 2335853)
Does JB have a commuter policy?
Originally Posted by FlyingTaco
(Post 2335970)
I feel like I know the answers to these, but...1. Is there any way of knowing which equipment/base slots are available prior to a particular new hire class starting? 2. Can you specify a particular equipment type or base and wait for that class? I'd like the luxury of knowing what I'm getting myself into before I quit my current relatively decent job and take the plunge.
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Originally Posted by capt707
(Post 2336350)
Honestly, unless you live in one of the bases, the travel benefits are almost worthless. If you live in the midwest somewhere and want to go out West, you will have to go east first to JFK/BOS... then west. Good luck trying to line up your connection/schedule, as we will most likely only have 1 flight a day there, sometimes only on certain days, it will most likley be a redeye on the way back or involve a 5-8 hour airport appreciation sit before your connection. Want to sit in Mint? That'll be $75.
I buy tickets and give my money to DL, SWA, etc. when we travel, as you can't get anywhere on JB without giving up 2 days of travelling because of our crap flight schedules. |
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