And the bottom line is you're dead wrong.



The fact that you quit does not make aviation as a career unjust or unworthy. It just means you quit.




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And that is why we are here, to debate that question. As DE727UPS mentioned we all have our own perspectives and things that are true to us. A guy who won the lottery might naturally proclaim that gambling is good.

In addition some of us work to live while others live to work. Everyone must decide for themselves what risks and sacrifices they will make and for what kind of return.

As for myself aviation was always a means to an end. I wanted to build a life on an aviation career. What I found was that my aviation career demanded that I lay most of what I valued onto its alter. I am not interested in being a martyr to stay in the saddle. I do not want to commute. I do not want to fly overseas and am not interested in living away from the USA or my home state.

I have sacrificed much and feel that when compared to other professions a pilot career demands far to much for what is being offered in return.

SkyHigh

PS I did not quit. I was laid off after 9-11 and could not find another suitable job.

 

"I am here to proclaim that aviation is not a just or worthy place to invest yourself when compared to other professions. "

And here you go again Skyhigh making sweeping NEGATIVE comments. You are not authorized to proclaim the entire aviation industry "not worthy". Your stories might make good reading and resonable food for thought - but that very statement is no better than DE727UPS saying that an aviation career is the best thing in the world - which you would rail against.

Lowtimer - I'll proclaim to you that the aviation is a worthy field and that once you have studied and learned all you can about the aviation industry that you make the best choice you can, work hard, and hope for a pinch of luck somewhere along the way.

USMCFLYR

 

I believe when compared to other professions the amount of risk, investment and sacrifise is not in congress with the return that is currently being offered under the average situation given the average pilot.

The guy who is looking for a stable profession, and not interested in a vision quest, aviation is a poor choice. The cost of education and training is prohibitive. The odds of making it to someplace good are exceedingly long. The future of the industry is not all that bright.

It is a sweepingly negative comment but I think it is valid. Every town needs a cop. Most every plumber will get a job. Other professions have their obstacles and setbacks but noting like aviation.

Skyhigh

UPS has between 12 and 20,000 applications on file for an average of 100 jobs per year. The odds are near 146 to one and that is after surviving flight school, college, initial jobs, ect....

 

USMC, good post, but it seems you've just entered this field professionally based on your previous posts? you heard the guy, he looks for ways to get back into it every day, as do I. I've actually been offered jobs, but none of them equal the pay and QOL I currently receive. I'm glad you haven't reached the point yet where you've been furloughed, or just plain needed a break.

 

"UPS has between 12 and 20,000 applications on file for an average of 100 jobs per year. The odds are near 146 to one and that is after surviving flight school, college, initial jobs, ect...."

Source?

Have to ask cause I've seen Sky make an "educated guess", for effect, and play it off as factual.

 

"...get back into it every day, as do I. I've actually been offered jobs, but none of them equal the pay and QOL I currently receive."

I thought you were a sim instructor? To me, that's still in the biz. We used to have guys line guys that got involved in training so they could be home every day. Not a bad gig.

 

[quote=SkyHigh;443692]I believe when compared to other professions the amount of risk, investment and sacrifise is not in congress with the return that is currently being offered under the average situation given the average pilot.

The guy who is looking for a stable profession, and not interested in a vision quest, aviation is a poor choice. The cost of education and training is prohibitive. The odds of making it to someplace good are exceedingly long. The future of the industry is not all that bright.

It is a sweepingly negative comment but I think it is valid. Every town needs a cop. Most every plumber will get a job. Other professions have their obstacles and setbacks but noting like aviation.

Skyhigh

Then accept the unrealistic sweepingly POSITIVE comments that are made by others who HAVE succeeded in this industry that you don't feel is worth it. My beef with your statement isn't that you point out the negatives and the pitfalls of this profession; but rather that you make sweeping and generalistic negative comments (like this whole indutry and profession "not worthy") yet attack anyone who happens to have succeeded and give a positive view of the past, present, and future.

USMCFLYR

 

Learflyer -

We have talked privately and you know that I have yet to enter this field of professional aviation. Haven't even sent in my first resume yet; but it is a field that I have been interested in for more than 20 years and although worried about the current state of affairs in the industry I look forward to wading in with my eyes wide open - both from posts about the pitfalls from SkyHigh and others and posts from people that have made it. As you have stated or seen from my other posts - I also basically have no back-up plan. Flying of some sort or another is all I've ever wanted to do and I have no interest in anything else - nor education or skills either. It is not a great situation to tell the truth. Oh - I have those mid-level management skills that any military officer comes out with and a safety background to boot that might be of some use somewhere; but those office/desk jobs would make me just as bitter and disillusioned as SkyHigh.

No...I haven't been to the point yet where I have been furloughed. I chose a path initially that provided continual employment, travel, excitement, and times that I wished I were at home nice and snuggled into my bed instead of living in a cave and eating cold MREs for longer than I care to remember. I've paid my dues in getting to this point where I **MIGHT** get to be interviewed and told that I'm not what they are looking for either, but I'm willing to give it a shot because I do find this prideful profession worth it and I just love flying plain and simple.

USMCFLYR

 

I've watched him make the same type of guesses about military pilots in a past thread and I promptly corrected his completely wrong information. It was amusing to watch the starry-eyed, backpedaling defense that followed with him asking questions in a pathetic diversionary tactic to take the spotlight off his outright misinformation, if not lying. His sob story makes for another amusing read though...Tony C shacked the target...guy's a quitter. I have more respect for guys that fail at something they love doing than those who give up on their dream.

B2P