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Lemons 09-08-2017 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2427017)
That would make you a psychopath. Glad you admitted it. Thanks.

Thank your doctor.

CBreezy 09-08-2017 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2427088)
In a true capitalistic environment, there shouldn't be limits on price gouging. The value of anything is always dependent on location, time, and circumstance. The price for water today in Montana can be $1. But in southern Florida today because of excessively high demand, the price can be $12.

Same with air fares, even without hurricanes. Those who buy months in advance pay a certain lower amount, because the value of that seat months in advance is low. Now that same seat today is worth a LOT because to someone, this seat today is extremely valuable today and must travel. 6 months ago the fare for this same seat is $100. Today, last minute fare for same-day travel is $600.

Except in your true capitalism argument, people who can't afford the extreme air fare or $90 bottles of water die. You shouldn't get to live because you have more money.

Xtreme87 09-08-2017 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2427088)
In a true capitalistic environment, there shouldn't be limits on price gouging. The value of anything is always dependent on location, time, and circumstance. The price for water today in Montana can be $1. But in southern Florida today because of excessively high demand, the price can be $12.

Same with air fares, even without hurricanes. Those who buy months in advance pay a certain lower amount, because the value of that seat months in advance is low. Now that same seat today is worth a LOT because to someone, this seat today is extremely valuable today and must travel. 6 months ago the fare for this same seat is $100. Today, last minute fare for same-day travel is $600.

...And that is the problem with today's world. The reason why everybody treats each other like a piece of garbage, mass shootings, etc... In your world, everything is just money and numbers, there is no humanity in this capitalistic system. Capitalism is great and all, but when you take all sense of humanity from people, you take the only thing that sets people apart from animals.

Lemons 09-08-2017 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2427187)
...And that is the problem with today's world. The reason why everybody treats each other like a piece of garbage, mass shootings, etc... In your world, everything is just money and numbers, there is no humanity in this capitalistic system. Capitalism is great and all, but when you take all sense of humanity from people, you take the only thing that sets people apart from animals.

There are billions of people in the world, hundreds of thousands die daily from disease, poverty and war. It's life and you can't change it. Life is to short to worry about other people.

There is no such thing as humanity, that is a social construct so is supposed "good" and "evil".

Mesabah 09-08-2017 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2427088)
In a true capitalistic environment, there shouldn't be limits on price gouging. The value of anything is always dependent on location, time, and circumstance. The price for water today in Montana can be $1. But in southern Florida today because of excessively high demand, the price can be $12.

Same with air fares, even without hurricanes. Those who buy months in advance pay a certain lower amount, because the value of that seat months in advance is low. Now that same seat today is worth a LOT because to someone, this seat today is extremely valuable today and must travel. 6 months ago the fare for this same seat is $100. Today, last minute fare for same-day travel is $600.

You can still get super saver fares same day short notice. For example, AA is charging $68 for LAX-ORD daily right now, it's that price months from now too.

Furthermore, price caps are capitalism, the airlines were charging $600+, till Jetblue came in and offered $99 for all seats. There is nothing more capitalistic than undercutting competition.

todd1200 09-08-2017 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2427227)
There are billions of people in the world, hundreds of thousands die daily from disease, poverty and war. It's life and you can't change it. Life is to short to worry about other people.

There is no such thing as humanity, that is a social construct so is supposed "good" and "evil".

Somebody's been reading their Nietzsche; although he sounded like a sociopath sometimes too :D

dwightkschrute 09-08-2017 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2427227)
There are billions of people in the world, hundreds of thousands die daily from disease, poverty and war. It's life and you can't change it. Life is to short to worry about other people.

There is no such thing as humanity, that is a social construct so is supposed "good" and "evil".

Except when you have the ability to help or not screw over your fellow man, you do the right thing. When things go downhill quickly, all that separates us from animals is the ability to be empathetic and altruistic. You don't alienate others simply because they don't have the means to pay exorbitant prices in their time of need. It's the same reason you wouldn't leave a handicapped person behind.

Life is indeed short but what makes for the warmest and most fulfilling stories? People helping people (or animals).

dogpilot 09-08-2017 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2426976)
Wouldn't say I advocate, I just don't have much empathy.

An often misused term, empathy, which is easier because you would have experienced a similar event to the suffering party. Sympathy, on the other hand, requires imagining oneself in the suffering party's shoes and having feelings of compassion and hope they work it out. Justice comes to all I believe, hopefully in your suffering hour someone will empathize or sympathize with you, or will you suffer alone to gain strength to the Id.

ShyGuy 09-08-2017 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2427140)
Except in your true capitalism argument, people who can't afford the extreme air fare or $90 bottles of water die. You shouldn't get to live because you have more money.

Plenty of people die on this planet (sadly and unfortunately) because they don't have access to clean water or can't afford clean water. Other things like cancer might be survivable if you can afford the treatments and get it done in time. Someone who can't afford that will not live. I don't think anyone denies that you have a better chance of making it in life and/or living longer if you have the money or have more money than another.


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2427187)
...And that is the problem with today's world. The reason why everybody treats each other like a piece of garbage, mass shootings, etc... In your world, everything is just money and numbers, there is no humanity in this capitalistic system. Capitalism is great and all, but when you take all sense of humanity from people, you take the only thing that sets people apart from animals.

Are you really implying the reason we aren't animals is because we have humanity? The reason we're like this is because of our first world status, high literacy rate, people are educated, laws, law enforcement, and (mostly) taught to obey rules and be somewhat respectful of people's own business. Obviously not always, but to a degree people do.

Look at this evacuation pic:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...4902986455.jpg

People are trying to run away from potential death. Yet, look how orderly it is. No one is driving on the shoulder. No one in the grass. If this was a 3rd world country, you'd have mass choas with cars everywhere. In fact, in a 3rd world country, the opposite side would be forced off as cars would drive away in that direction too.

Humanity is a social construct, so some people have it and others don't. Still, business is going to be business for many people.


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2427241)
You can still get super saver fares same day short notice. For example, AA is charging $68 for LAX-ORD daily right now, it's that price months from now too.

Only because Frontier is offering $50 on that same route.


Furthermore, price caps are capitalism, the airlines were charging $600+, till Jetblue came in and offered $99 for all seats. There is nothing more capitalistic than undercutting competition.
Except when the ME3 do it :cool:


Originally Posted by dwightkschrute (Post 2427315)
Except when you have the ability to help or not screw over your fellow man, you do the right thing. When things go downhill quickly, all that separates us from animals is the ability to be empathetic and altruistic. You don't alienate others simply because they don't have the means to pay exorbitant prices in their time of need. It's the same reason you wouldn't leave a handicapped person behind.

Life is indeed short but what makes for the warmest and most fulfilling stories? People helping people (or animals).

I like how "animals" are written off as if they are barbaric and unworthy. Humans are worse than animals, that's just fact. No other animal is and has been as destructive to this planet as humans. No species kills just for sport/fun/crime like humans have. No animal has slaughtered millions over the years their own version of what sky fairy they believe in. No animal has started wars with other animals over oil, money, or foreign alliances. Humans are much worse, and we are an over-rated species.

PRS Guitars 09-08-2017 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2427140)
Except in your true capitalism argument, people who can't afford the extreme air fare or $90 bottles of water die. You shouldn't get to live because you have more money.

Price Gouging can serve a purpose, it prevents people from buying excessive supplies (and hoarding them). Think about it, you walk into buy water or batteries, if the prices are "normal" you'll probably buy more than you need just in case, but if the prices are very high, you'll just buy the minimum, which will leave supplies for other people.

I gaurentee there will be people blaming the airlines for having all of their flights sold out, even though they increased the flights dramatically.


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