putzin

I know AND it's not really raining in Houston. 😂

ShyGuy

I still don't see a decent reason. You can't just say well last time we tried to Evac, ppl died and the hurricane wasn't that bad! If the govt wants an evac it should be done in an orderly fashion, e.g., have both directions of interstates be changed to one way exits, have LE agencies coordinate timeframes of evac by certain regions/zip codes. Most importantly, the key should be to have evac plans spread out over a period of time so no one feels like they all must blitz at the same time. The deaths before with the bus fire was tragic, but that's a one off event. Running out of gas shouldn't happen if ppl were prepared (who doesn't stock up on food or gas in a high risk area?)

Problem with Harvey is a couple days before it hit, the NWS and even CNN weather were saying the most troubling aspect of this hurricane is then once it makes landfall, the computer models show that it stalls. And that stalling without continuing inland means the storm is going to be remain strong as it drops tremendous amounts of rain, let alone wind damage. If the govt didn't order an evac, this should still have been alarming on an individual level.

Right now they're reporting many deaths with people driving (in control) cars into flooded streets/waters and their cars being swept away. Quite a few deaths like this already, this was preventable.

CBreezy

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/28/546721363/why-didn-t-officials-order-the-evacuation-of-houston

It's more complex than you're making it.

ShyGuy

Sounds like some state officials wanted an evac, including the governors office, but local officials did not want an evac. The reasons are BS. "We can't handle the physical aspects of an evacuation, and don't want to be blamed for evac deaths. So just stay home and die is better, at least it isn't our fault!"

Bush had his Katrina. Some politicians and city officials wanted Trump to have his Harvey. And to blame storm strength on climate change. Yes, I've already read articles insinuating both. Amazing how far some people will go for their hatred of Trump and his office.

CBreezy

You can't be serious that the mayor did this so he could blame Trump. That's an incredible accusation. If anything, allowing this to happen so Trump can swoop in to take the credit for rebuilding humanizes and bolsters his image.

And yes, this Hurricane's intensity and track can be partially attributed to climate change. I don't have time nor do I want to make the effort to go into the science behind it.

ShyGuy

Thanks for showing your political motivation. There is zero proof that Harvey, itself, was influenced by climate change. "Scientists" have cautioned that this cannot be conclusively proven. Their generic warning is as oceans warm, storms will gain greater strength and therefore be powerful heading to land. But this Harvey climate change is pure BS to try and yet again trash Trunp and his office.

CBreezy

In a peer reviewed scientific study, hurricane intensity is directly proportional to climate change. The number of storms reaching major hurricane status will be a larger percentage of storms than in previous decades. There is no correlation of number of storms to climate change.

The path exhibited by this storm is a result of climate change. Peer reviewed scientific studies have indicated that global and regional weather patterns and long wave activity will stagnate as climate change progresses. To a non atmospheric scientist, the highs and ridges that drive the weather stay in place longer causing system stagnation. It's one of the primary reasons this hurricane sat in the same area for a week (unprecedented) and similar to the extreme heat in the Pacific NW, extreme drought in the SE and flooding in California.

And I'm not supporting his decision to not evacuate. I understand his hesitation after the last storm and the complexity of moving 6 million people. I'm saying I find the accusation that he did it do Trump looks bad to be stupid.

ShyGuy

First major hurricane to hit the US in almost 12 yrs, and yeah it's climate change

There is ZERO evidence to support that claim. None. Anyone claiming otherwise is pulling it out of their rear end.

Anytime I read about "peer reviewed scientific studies" my first question for the scientists is what's their primary source of funding/income? Second question is if they receive donations for research, what political affiliation did the money come from?

CBreezy

You do realize that if a Hurricane doesn't hit land, it's still a Hurricane, right? Just because it's the first to hit land is completely irrelevant.

There is zero evidence according to you because you don't read climate or meteorological publications. Keep flying airplanes, you're much better at it. Leave the meteorology to the meteorologists.

And please leave your Breitbart click-bait elsewhere. Real climate scientists aren't being denied funding if they are looking to disprove it. But I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. You're so buried in your echo chamber that nothing I can say will change your opinion and I have better things to do with my time.

ShyGuy

#triggered like a typical liberal. All personal attacks, zero provable facts.