Lemons

There is no proof gw is caused by man.

CBreezy

There is plenty of evidence that the human burning of fossil fuels is having a statistically significant effect on our climate. There is actually little credible evidence disproving it.

What is unknown is how this climate change will impact our future.

ShyGuy

All weather is caused primarily due to the unequal heating of earth from the sun. You want add man's impact and fossil fuels to that, knock yourself out. So tell me, what percentage less of fossil fuels would we need to burn less to have stopped Harvey?

CBreezy

You keep misquoting me. But I can understand your lack of understanding of how weather works. Thanks for the Private Pilot answer to "what makes weather."

Harvey wasn't caused by global warming. Certainly you could make the argument that its quick rise to a category 4 was helped by the fact that the Gulf water temps were between 3 and 7 degrees F above average. I'm not making that argument, though. Harvey would have been a Hurricane even if temperatures were average. The argument, however, is that the long wave pattern, the thing that is the force behind why Highs and lows move and the number of such systems globally, has been experiencing a greater frequency of quasi-stationary events. It is what kept a large Hurricane and subsequent rain event mostly stationary for the better part of a week. It is what caused record flooding last year and the year before in Texas. It is what caused the record flooding in Missouri. It's what caused the dangerous heat wave in Seattle.

Xtreme87

People arguing against climate change must REALLY REALLY not like clean air and water. I mean worst case scenario if all the scientists are wrong and you spent all that money investing in cleaner energy, you will be left with cleaner air and water. I mean you can argue all you want about whether or not climate change is man made or not, but what you can't argue is that man has severely effed up this planet in the last hundred years. I mean we have prescription drugs in WILD salmon. It's only going to get worse.

AboveMins

Regardless of what is causing temperature rise, there are folks on the gulf coast who lost everything. Let's put our petty squabbling aside for a bit, and redirect that energy to help those affected by this disaster. My thoughts and prayers are with all those who suffered due to Harvey, especially those in the APC family.

Besides P4P, are there any other charities that anyone on here would recommend?

ShyGuy

"I understand weather, other people don't." Then you wonder why your side doesn't get taken seriously. Long wave pattern? I guess we never had stationary high or low fronts in the past until now. You'll counter with we're having stationary fronts more frequently. But there's no evidence to say this Harvey blocked by a high pressure system wouldn't have happened if we had burned less fossils. We had a high pressure system, just by chance and that caused this storm system to stall.

tomgoodman

An excellent suggestion. This nonprofit site offers an alphabetical list of 3- and 4-star rated charities, based on financial health and accountability/transparency. Click on any listed charity for further details about their record.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ind...&order=charity

CBreezy

You act like I'm making up long wave patterns. It's not a new thing. It's what drives weather. I'm not talking about stationary fronts because that's not what we are talking about. And yes, I understand weather not as good as most of the scientists but I understand better than every single non meteorologist pilot. I have degrees in it. It is a complex field of study. When a doctor or an engineer or a pharmacist or a meteorologist says "this is how this works," is your first response, "quit being so arrogant with your knowledge and maybe I'll believe you?" I'm not going to go through fluid Dynamics here so that you can understand. Learning is your responsibility. I've read studies published at multiple universities that indicate quasi-stationary long wave patterns are a direct result of AGW. They have been occurring with greater frequency at a statistically significantly rate and proportional to AGW.

AboveMins

Good find. Thank you, Tom!