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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 146453)

I've calmed down many nervous passengers over the years, merely by telling them that nothing, or no one, can make me operate a flight when I think it's unsafe to do so. Can a non-union pilot do that? Not likely, especially if his five-year contract is up for renewal.

You have no clue about our contract.
Do you seriously think we would operate a flight that we consider unsafe?
The opposite is true, pepole get fired for taking chances, not for going the safest route.

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Originally Posted by Gman (Post 146653)

1- No, I don't have a clue about your contract, and I don't care to.

2-What is considered safe is often subjective, with the captain's opinion based upon (presumably) thousands of hours of flight time, and the manager's opinion based upon statistics, opinions, the way things used to be, or any of a thousand things. Differences are bound to occur.

If I'm called upon to defend my decisions, I want a union rep by my side. You can go in with your contract, or whatever you want. Best of luck to you.

3-The "safest route" is to never leave the gate. We take chances every time we push back. Every flight involves risk. We merely manage it.

4- I still can't tell if you're stupid or naive.

Dark Knight,

I know of several pilots in my class 1986-87 that washed out and are flying for the majors today. One can always use the explanation that I flew great but that formation stuff screwed me up!! tha airlines don't seem to care about fromation proficiency

[QUOTE=CVG767A;146812]1- No, I don't have a clue about your contract, and I don't care to.

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That says it all.

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That says it all.

Wow, Great comeback! Do you have as good a reply for the rest of my post?

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 148350)

Wow, Great comeback! Do you have as good a reply for the rest of my post?

Gman is limited to four syllables per response, unless its stupid, than its unlimited! :rolleyes: :D

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Originally Posted by Vito (Post 147009)

Totally agreed. Most of the skills between military and commercial pilots are interchangeable, but a good military pilot does not a good airline pilot make, not always. I did pretty good in UPT, but my formation SUCKED. Attitude and an ejection seat was the only thing that got me through. 99% of guys wash-out of UPT because of attitude. Attitude will manifest into flying skills. If you humbly own up to that shortcoming, the interviewers won't hold it against you. UPT is not for everybody, but a good attitude is a must and can't be taught too late in the game. On the flip side, my Ops Group Commander from UPT was in my new-hire class at USAir. Didn't make it through training....bad attitude. I don't think you'll have a problem. Good Luck!