HPilot

I thought you were UPS?

hangaber

Mike, I don't mean to start a message board fight, that's the last thing I want, but consider this: ALPA merger policy E. career expectations........AWA had 22 airplanes on order, in writing, US was turning them in. So the career expectation of the junior AWA FO was to have about 300 pilots below him after all deliveries. So the arbitrator's decision wasn't a windfall but in fact wasn't even fair to him because his career expectation was to have 300 active pilots underneath him instead of being last.
Second, looking at the birthdays of all the US pilots retiring between now and 2011....only 52% of the retirees are Captains. Retiring US FOs doesn't help the AW pilot group much, and retiring furloughees doesn't help the AW pilots at all. So it isn't a 4-1 ratio but more like a 2-1 ratio . Not to mention the move to age 65 which will help the US guys more.
Third, the 500 US pilots placed at the top will be a windfall for them because when the fence comes down they will be at the top of the list for all remaining bidding for their careers. The arbitrator should have fenced it, but not given them top-of-the-list seniority. And the arbitrator shouldn't have considered the widebody flying to be priviledged. If it were so good why did the seats for the 18 airplanes go the whole way down to seniority number 517? If it needed to be protected, why did it go so junior? Not to mention AW had widebodies (747s) so it wasn't like a new thing for AW.
Not meaning to start something, it's an emotional issue for sure. Just some thoughts I heard from a buddy that I thought pertains here.
Best wishes.

rickair7777

I think her SO is an east guy.

OscartheGrouch

If that is a picture of HotMama then that is where I want to work! Sadly, I have to much seniority though so I will have to settle for the picture.

Planedrvr

Please give me a f*#king break, "AW had widbodies"

Yeah, the had a 'grand total of 2 747' they operated almost 15 yrs. ago. Lost they a$$ flying them, because the lease payments were so high. But, yeah you guys did have 'a widebody' (sorry 2).

A320fumes

Ditto. It's hard to believe. I hope there is some sort of Phoenix group action. I know there will be SOME sort of action.

swaayze

The East pilot who is 1# senior to the furloughees evidently has continuous active service since 1988. He is now junior to AWA folks hired in 2005. I'm sorry but that's just plain friggin insane.

And, the tiny fences put in place will not protect the East folks much at all, especially wrt the attrition related advancement that was expected by the most junior East FOs.

Congrats to the AWA folks on their immense windfall.

jsled

What's insane. Continuous service or not, he was still on the bottom of the list of guys still flying (not furloughed). So where is he now? you guessed it, at the bottom of the list. Same or better status, same or better pay, no windfalls. The fact that he is on the list with guys hired in 2005 sucks. It demonstates that life is not fair. That does not mean that the policy was not followed. If we want doh in mergers, then we have to change the policy.

IronWalt

This will be a MISERABLE PLACE TO WORK. For a LONG TIME. And EVERYONE will be affected by that. The corporate culture that could have been good is screwed now. And in the end, every stake holder will suffer. Junior and Senior, Employee and Customer, Management and Labor.

A320fumes

Agreed! I don't think Any East pilot should have cost a West pilot to be furloughed, but when The east pilot was recalled his position should have reflected his 20 years service, ahead of the 2 years service of his now senior west co-worker. I'm a 1999 AAA hire, who probably would not have returned anyway. I won't say too much about the integrated list because I haven't even been contacted about it and I was removed from the AAA web-boards about 2 weeks ago. It's a huge windfall for the west guys. No offense to anyone at West. Your union was supposed to get the best deal for you and they did, if you don't regard your AAA ALPA brethren as part of that group. I think this is the norm. I don't think they, AW, could have got such a great deal without capitulation and collusion from my previous pilot group. The 1150+ of us hired from '98-01' didn't invest a lot in AAA and enjoyed wonderful careers for those years. Thanx. We should have been enough sacrifice to preserve the careers of the 700+ former AAA CAPTAINS, who are now junior to AW 2005 hires. God Bless you all.


Union-a continuous association of wage-earners for the purpose of maintaining or improving the conditions of their employment."Trade unions may promote legislation favorable to the interests of their members or workers as a whole.

IMHO........That's Bullsh!t.