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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 166993)
In past posts I thought that you stated that you were a newly graduated UND guy.
As you know many here view the regional at similar to a LCC. Every RJ displaces a 737 at a major airline. You are fooling yourself if you think any different. As for the LCC job, a big jet beats out an RJ on any day. There are thousands of active and flying regional captains. Stand in line at a job fair and you will see what I mean. If I were to have made it to the left seat of the 757 I would have been a made man. As a regional captain I had a one in three chance at best. SkyHigh I'm not fooling myself about anything. I never wanted to upgrade to the "RJ" because I knew all that ment is that I've been their too long or they just replaced a 737/dc9/320 on that route and hurt my future employment opprotunies. When I talked to the recruiters at job fairs they all said that PIC (embraer or canadair) was better than right seat in a larger jet. If this industry doesn't find a way to increase the pay and quality of life at the regional levels I don't think we'll be able to raise the rest of the industry. Too many pilots making poor wages willing to fly a 737/320 for subpar pay because it is better than the regionals. I think you and I agree on this. |
Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
(Post 167006)
I respect my profession too.
I study and review the books, flashcards, etc. I also demand respect by showing respect to others, by ironing my shirt, dry cleaning my uniform once in a couple of months, shining my shoes every overnight, staying in shape. Also, I have started a side business so I don't have to fly 95 or even 80 hours a month. Sadly a lot of people have to do that and consequently become haters of their profession. |
Yes
Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 167023)
I went to UND for a year and ran as fast as I could when I learned more about the industry and them.
I'm not fooling myself about anything. I never wanted to upgrade to the "RJ" because I knew all that ment is that I've been their too long or they just replaced a 737/dc9/320 on that route and hurt my future employment opprotunies. When I talked to the recruiters at job fairs they all said that PIC (embraer or canadair) was better than right seat in a larger jet. If this industry doesn't find a way to increase the pay and quality of life at the regional levels I don't think we'll be able to raise the rest of the industry. Too many pilots making poor wages willing to fly a 737/320 for subpar pay because it is better than the regionals. I think you and I agree on this. Yes, turbine PIC beats big jet FO time, but big jet PIC beats them all. Competition from regional captains is very intense. A great way to best them all is to find a left seat in a Boeing. A good stragety is to find a crummy LCC, grab a quick left seat and then be on your way. And who knows, the company just might amount to something. The regional will always be a regional and pilots should never expect much. SkyHigh |
Eric
Eric Stratton,
So are you going to kill the suspence? If you are not at UND anymore then what are you doing? Skyhigh |
Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 167025)
so you had to start a side business to make ends meet. I hope you realise what a sad statement that really is...
1. Keep from being bored 2. Backup in case lose medical 3. Make money from their hobby. Tax issues, etc 4. Cause they can. 5. The fact that a crewmember does not pick extra flying sends a big message to management, many choose outside work just to send that message or because they have a case of #4. |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 166415)
Who has respect for experienced pilots anymore? Man I wish I knew.
SkyHigh Capt Haynes sure seemed to have the respect of everyone. Everyone else hates us. <g> But afterall, who respects lawyers? accountants? bankers? home builders? Computer programmers? Same deal. Even Doctors get little respect, look at the lawsuits they suffer! I don't see many confetti parades for anyone <bg> |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 167039)
Eric Stratton,
So are you going to kill the suspence? If you are not at UND anymore then what are you doing? Skyhigh |
[QUOTE=Sideshow Bob;166776]
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 166745)
Maybe you are right. Perhaps this career is about unending sacrifice and hardship. Like I have previously said it seems like one is expected to give it all till there is nothing left of our lives but sleep and work. If you are comfortable with multiple furloughs, layoffs and shutdowns and still come back for more then my next question is that where does one draw the line? When do we start to respect ourselves? The industry sure will not. Not so long as they can kick someone to the curb for decades and they keep coming back.
Skyhigh: Jeeeze...please point out a "career" that is free of hardship, fair and in recognition of skill, dedication and passion above all else and you'll be the pied piper of modern times. Of course I wasn't "comfortable" with furloughs and disappointments that had nothing to do with me...who is? I chose this career because it's all I ever really wanted to do. When income came up short, I picked up additional work (fortunately in aviation) until I got something better. I never burned bridges at jobs, never let my CFI expire and didn't treat those that some would consider "below me" below me, because beyond being a crappy way to live will deny you some good opportunities. When puppies ask about starting out in this thing of ours I first ask why...really why they want to do it. If it's the "money", the "glamour" or flight attendant panties I strongly encourage them to go to business school and learn to sell junk bonds or raid airlines like Jet Blue. Because unless one lives the charmed life in this thing there WILL be setbacks that have little or nothing to do with you because anything less than a true love of flying for flying's sake will not carry you through those tough times, and in many cases innocent families may suffer so that somebody with the wrong motivation was playing airline pilot but didn't have the guts to see it through. By all measures, most would have quit if in my shoes 14 years ago, but since I didn't, combined with some good fortune (different than luck) I am in a great position and not inclined to apologize for it. Nowhere in the brochure that I read did it say that my bosses would love me, I'd only work five days a month, make 500K a year and have all the women call me captain with adoring eyes. Maybe somebody should have given you the speech when you were a puppy and you could have gone to selling junk bonds, raiding Jet Blue and being called sir by employees who hate your guts but have families to feed. Some people just need to be cubicle monkeys I guess. Crap or get off the pot sport...somebody who wants it more is behind you. Sky I promised myself never to respond to your useless dribble but I can't help myself anymore. Dude I really feel sorry for you. Despite the fact that you brag about how wonderful your life is it sounds like you are miserable. Seriously shut up already about how life was so unfair to you. You took a shot and it didn't work. Not exactly the makings of a lifetime movie is it? In fact I believe it happens to each of us at least a couple of times in our lives. So please either come join us again and take another crack at it, or move on already. Life is too short brother! |
"Seems to me that you have missed out on much of what I write about"
So has everybody else I know. Your story is very much in the minority though you want people to believe the opposite. I honestly don't know anyone who has suffered your fate to the degree you seem to suffer it. Seem's like a guy who doesn't consider Southwest a worthy piloting career might have his sights set a tad high? I've been furloughed, got a bad recommendation, left the career for a job in ATC, been on strike, and been unemployed or otherwise between jobs three or four times. All of that in no particular order. You can think I was handed it all on a silver platter if it makes you happy. I could care less... |
Thank you
Originally Posted by de727ups
(Post 167131)
"Seems to me that you have missed out on much of what I write about"
So has everybody else I know. Your story is very much in the minority though you want people to believe the opposite. I honestly don't know anyone who has suffered your fate to the degree you seem to suffer it. Seem's like a guy who doesn't consider Southwest a worthy piloting career might have his sights set a tad high? I've been furloughed, got a bad recommendation, left the career for a job in ATC, been on strike, and been unemployed or otherwise between jobs three or four times. All of that in no particular order. You can think I was handed it all on a silver platter if it makes you happy. I could care less... We all have only our experiences to draw upon. I have kept track with peers from college, flight instructing, bush pilot air taxi and into the regionals. Perhaps fewer than 10 % are even still flying. Two of my best friends died in airplane crashes. Just last summer I turned down a job because they wouldn't promise me regular days off and they guy who took the position died in a crash just months later. Perhaps I have had an unusual run. I think that successful pilots owe more to luck and contacts than even they realise. Though I do not yet have the statistical evidence to prove it my premise that there are at least 100,000 licensed and experienced professional grade pilots out there who have had to let the career go for similar reasons as myself. They are not counted anymore once their medicals lapse. I have been in contact with one of the FAA's top statistician who shares my thoughts and is trying to prove the same thing. SWA is fine for many people. It doesn't fit me or my life. I am sure that there are plenty of companies you have chosen to avoid. Why don't you pursue a SWA job? Skyhigh |
Idea...how bout a group of pilots get together and start their own airline? Problem solved. If it were only that easy...
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Pilots start their own airline? Kiwi Air with 727's, most were ex-Eastern pilots. Struggled and didn't last too long. But they did it.
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 167161)
We all have only our experiences to draw upon. I have kept track with peers from college, flight instructing, bush pilot air taxi and into the regionals. Perhaps fewer than 10 % are even still flying. Two of my best friends died in airplane crashes. Just last summer I turned down a job because they wouldn't promise me regular days off and they guy who took the position died in a crash just months later.
Perhaps I have had an unusual run. I think that successful pilots owe more to luck and contacts than even they realise. Though I do not yet have the statistical evidence to prove it my premise that there are at least 100,000 licensed and experienced professional grade pilots out there who have had to let the career go for similar reasons as myself. They are not counted anymore once their medicals lapse. I have been in contact with one of the FAA's top statistician who shares my thoughts and is trying to prove the same thing. SWA is fine for many people. It doesn't fit me or my life. I am sure that there are plenty of companies you have chosen to avoid. Why don't you pursue a SWA job? Skyhigh From what you've posted here, you've paid a mere fraction of the dues that I and many here have yet you whine more than all of us combined...what's up with that? Get it over with, hang it up and move on. I for one wouldn't want you in my right seat...in the middle of an emergency you'd likely break down, get out of the seat and go in the back to lament how unfair and cruel life is to the jumpseaters. Move on dude. |
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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob
(Post 167222)
You know what? Keep this up and you're going to have to pay those of us who respond to your posts for this therapy. Twisted as it is, you're looking in the wrong place for people to hand you a plate of cookies, a glass of milk and pat you on the head saying "...it's OK Sky, it's not your fault, all the others are just jealous they're not you..." That's what mommy figures are for, not real pilots.
From what you've posted here, you've paid a mere fraction of the dues that I and many here have yet you whine more than all of us combined...what's up with that? Get it over with, hang it up and move on. I for one wouldn't want you in my right seat...in the middle of an emergency you'd likely break down, get out of the seat and go in the back to lament how unfair and cruel life is to the jumpseaters. Move on dude. Next you can tell us all how you are a Vietnam vet. Skyhigh |
Gawd, Skyhigh. He's a UPS guy.
And it would be dumb for me to quit and go to Southwest, dontchathink? Geeeezzzz.... |
Originally Posted by de727ups
(Post 167436)
Gawd, Skyhigh. He's a UPS guy.
And it would be dumb for me to quit and go to Southwest, dontchathink? Geeeezzzz.... |
Dumb
Originally Posted by de727ups
(Post 167436)
Gawd, Skyhigh. He's a UPS guy.
And it would be dumb for me to quit and go to Southwest, dontchathink? Geeeezzzz.... It would be dumb for me to attempt SWA as well. Why I bet it would take three legs to commute back from Baltimore. SkyHigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 167467)
It would be dumb for me to attempt SWA as well. Why I bet it would take three legs to commute back from Baltimore. SkyHigh BTW, SWA has three non-stops per day running between Vegas and Baltimore. Ironically, you could find yourself a SWA pilot before me. So go ahead, try SWA, beat me to it. THEN would you stop your bi itch in? The bottom line would seem to be that you just can't stand it to see others content in a place that you were unable to sustain. Plenty of pilots have suffered from shattered dreams over the last 90 years, yet I don't know of a mentionable percentage of those who decided to spend their time trying to make the remaining professional pilots feel ashamed. BTW, I could help you get a job flying a larger than RJ airliner. If you want PM me. If not, please let it go. |
I don't think SkyHigh has the PIC to go to southwest...
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 167526)
I don't think SkyHigh has the PIC to go to southwest...
I don't want to commute. I don't want to move. I don't want to fly 9 leg days. I don't want to strive to fit into the SWA culture. I don't want to spend much time on the east coast. SWA is a great company but I have never wanted to work for them. They offer few of the requirements that I have to satisfy personal lifestyle needs. Life is hard enough without having to sit in a terminal on my days off trying to get to and from work. SWA has had a fantastic run, however I think things are due to slow down. They have nearly conquered the nation. What else can they do? Flying is great but it has never been worth it to me to completely uproot everything that I value in life in pursuit of it. I hold the belief that I can do better and have been fulfilling that expectation ever since I was laid off years ago. What other profession demands as much? 4 years of College, flight school, to be followed by nearly a decade and a half of low wage jobs to reach a place where your odds slim to one in three at best. The reward then is to be a new hire at 40 at some major, get treated like a high school kid at Walmart. Enjoy the low wages and poor schedules yet again. Commute across the country. Miss family events and holidays. And if you are lucky you might miss the big furlough at 45. Even if I were eligible for SWA I could not accept the difficulties it would present myself and to my family. Maybe in years to come after my kids are grown and gone and when the profession as totally collapsed I could consider something like that. Skyhigh |
i thought you lived in the bay area or is it seattle?
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 167467)
It would be dumb for me to attempt SWA as well. Why I bet it would take three legs to commute back from Baltimore.
SkyHigh I'm guessing It would probably be more difficult for you to find 3 SWA Pilots willing to sponsor you, with your Black cloud attitude. A big part of getting a JOB at a major (assuming you have the credentials) is passing the Personnel Interview. If you don't exhibit a positive mental attitude to your interviewer.............you get that infamous "letter" in the mail Instead of that wonderful "Phone call" a few days after you return home from your interview. We know, you have recieved several "letters" SKY We've all heard your story, we've all heard your Forecasts............ A flying career ain't for everybody, especially if you refuse to move and don't want to commute. We all understand that. Give it a rest and move on....... |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 167535)
Right, I don't have the PIC. I still wouldn't apply however.
I don't want to commute. I don't want to move. I don't want to fly 9 leg days. I don't want to strive to fit into the SWA culture. I don't want to spend much time on the east coast. SWA is a great company but I have never wanted to work for them. They offer few of the requirements that I have to satisfy personal lifestyle needs. Life is hard enough without having to sit in a terminal on my days off trying to get to and from work. SWA has had a fantastic run, however I think things are due to slow down. They have nearly conquered the nation. What else can they do? Flying is great but it has never been worth it to me to completely uproot everything that I value in life in pursuit of it. I hold the belief that I can do better and have been fulfilling that expectation ever since I was laid off years ago. What other profession demands as much? 4 years of College, flight school, to be followed by nearly a decade and a half of low wage jobs to reach a place where your odds slim to one in three at best. The reward then is to be a new hire at 40 at some major, get treated like a high school kid at Walmart. Enjoy the low wages and poor schedules yet again. Commute across the country. Miss family events and holidays. And if you are lucky you might miss the big furlough at 45. Even if I were eligible for SWA I could not accept the difficulties it would present myself and to my family. Maybe in years to come after my kids are grown and gone and when the profession as totally collapsed I could consider something like that. Skyhigh 1) You tried to get started without paying your dues, and were partially successful 2) The rug got pulled out from underneath you, and because you were under-qualified you can't find equivalent work 3) You are now extremely bitter. For god's sake, if you want to fly for a living, get out there and fly! Pay some dues for a few years. I had plans that got changed as of 9/11 too, I adapted as best as I was able. If you don't want to work for an airline, don't! Believe it or not there are other avenues available to you that will keep you flying, and yes, even let you make a decent living! And...if you don't want to fly for a living, find a different hobby than hanging out in a flying for a living forum! My $.02. Best of luck to you. |
Uh oh... I hope Sky doesn't read this one. I think he is still tired from the last round; Sky maybe you should exempt yourself from this one.
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 167386)
You FedEx guys are all alike. I will try to drum up some interest to respond to your tamtrum later.
Next you can tell us all how you are a Vietnam vet. Skyhigh Not really worthy of a response, other than to say, disappointing. |
Yes
Originally Posted by SC-7
(Post 168225)
Not sure what your point was for either of those comments, but they are beneath you.
Not really worthy of a response, other than to say, disappointing. I apologise. SkyHigh |
Bitter?
Originally Posted by ppilot
(Post 167576)
Sky...no offense intended. But from what I've gathered from reading your posts:
1) You tried to get started without paying your dues, and were partially successful 2) The rug got pulled out from underneath you, and because you were under-qualified you can't find equivalent work 3) You are now extremely bitter. For god's sake, if you want to fly for a living, get out there and fly! Pay some dues for a few years. I had plans that got changed as of 9/11 too, I adapted as best as I was able. If you don't want to work for an airline, don't! Believe it or not there are other avenues available to you that will keep you flying, and yes, even let you make a decent living! And...if you don't want to fly for a living, find a different hobby than hanging out in a flying for a living forum! My $.02. Best of luck to you. I am diapointed. So what? My concerns and experiences are valid. Our nations founding fathers were also disaprointed. I am sure that the Brittish considered them to be "bitter" as well. I am not underqualified. The system changed the qualifications right out from under me. Before 911 it wasn't as much of a requirement to have turbine PIC as it is now. In the mid-1990's it was almost unheard of. There were few turbine planes to be had back then and it wasn't nessacery to have turbine PIC. My entire generation was passed over. Guys who hired on at a major airline only to be furloughed later without any turbine PIC had no place to go. It was the norm to get hired without turbine PIC. Now at 36 and with a family in tow I am supposed to go back two steps and seek out a turbine plane someplace? Earn 20K perhaps and waste another year or two to get into the left seat and then another year or two to get the PIC? Only to discover that by then the hot thing is RJ part 121 PIC? I paid plenty of aweful and diffucult dues. I have thousands of hours of life threatening piston part 135 single pilot IFR captain time. I wasted a four year degree on the subject and many more years as a CFI. I understand the reasonings of HR. They have to narrow down the flood of applicants somehow. My career was unfortunate. Everything I worked for is now worthless. All the years of icing up over the cascades in the middle of the night are meaningless. After all these fathful years I am unable to find a job worthy enough to support my family on. Yes I am disapointed. Why wouldn't I be? SkyHigh |
Yes
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
(Post 167575)
I'm guessing It would probably be more difficult for you to find 3 SWA Pilots willing to sponsor you, with your Black cloud attitude.
A big part of getting a JOB at a major (assuming you have the credentials) is passing the Personnel Interview. If you don't exhibit a positive mental attitude to your interviewer.............you get that infamous "letter" in the mail Instead of that wonderful "Phone call" a few days after you return home from your interview. We know, you have recieved several "letters" SKY We've all heard your story, we've all heard your Forecasts............ A flying career ain't for everybody, especially if you refuse to move and don't want to commute. We all understand that. Give it a rest and move on....... I will give it a rest. It is others like yourself who keep bringing the topic up. I do not now nor ever wished to fly for SWA. They are a fine company however they are not prevalent in the northwest. They don't have bases here. Don't fly to many cities here. Don't have many SWA pilots who live here either. I have a family who is very happy to live where we do and do not really want me to spent my days off sleeping in terminals trying to commute home for a day and a half before struggling to get back. We don't want to move. One of life's most precious liberties is being able to live where you wish. Work is supposed to be a means to an end and not what your entire live is wrapped around. I have to leave soon to meet up with my brother for an early morning motorcycle ride in the mountains. I am able to do things like this because I live with my friends and family in a place we are excited about. Yesterday I took my kids fishing. An apartment in Baltimore is just not worth it. SkyHigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 168242)
I am diapointed. So what? My concerns and experiences are valid. Our nations founding fathers were also disaprointed. I am sure that the Brittish considered them to be "bitter" as well.
I am not underqualified. The system changed the qualifications right out from under me. Before 911 it wasn't as much of a requirement to have turbine PIC as it is now. In the mid-1990's it was almost unheard of. There were few turbine planes to be had back then and it wasn't nessacery to have turbine PIC. My entire generation was passed over. Guys who hired on at a major airline only to be furloughed later without any turbine PIC had no place to go. It was the norm to get hired without turbine PIC. Now at 36 and with a family in tow I am supposed to go back two steps and seek out a turbine plane someplace? Earn 20K perhaps and waste another year or two to get into the left seat and then another year or two to get the PIC? Only to discover that by then the hot thing is RJ part 121 PIC? I paid plenty of aweful and diffucult dues. I have thousands of hours of life threatening piston part 135 single pilot IFR captain time. I wasted a four year degree on the subject and many more years as a CFI. I understand the reasonings of HR. They have to narrow down the flood of applicants somehow. My career was unfortunate. Everything I worked for is now worthless. All the years of icing up over the cascades in the middle of the night are meaningless. After all these fathful years I am unable to find a job worthy enough to support my family on. Yes I am disapointed. Why wouldn't I be? SkyHigh who the hell told you that you didn't need turbine PIC to get on with a major. that's all I've ever heard of since the early 90's before I ever got on with a regional. the only people that I saw go to a major without the 1000 turbine PIC were interns. |
Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 168297)
I'm curious what your qualifications are seen as you don't have 1000 turbine PIC. did you even upgrade at horizon before you left for national?
who the hell told you that you didn't need turbine PIC to get on with a major. that's all I've ever heard of since the early 90's before I ever got on with a regional. the only people that I saw go to a major without the 1000 turbine PIC were interns. Turbine PIC has been a basic requirement since the early 80's if not earlier. skyhigh is just appeasing himself and making excuses. I began pursuing this career in 1983 and I was told then that the only way for a civilian to get hired at a major was to have, not only turbine PIC, but that PIC would most likely need to be turboJET PIC. I will offer this, turbine PIC is the new JET time. College classmates from the early 80's that managed to get hired at a major before the 80's ended either went corporate and got some jet time, or went to a commuter and logged years as PIC before being able to gain a majors attention. Again, it appears the skyhigh is just appeasing himself. |
Originally Posted by skybolt
(Post 168339)
Turbine PIC has been a basic requirement since the early 80's if not earlier.
But my opinion apparently doesn't matter nor does it count. I guess I'm arrogant, self-centered and oblivious. I don't know about all of that crap. But I do know that I am, in fact, a Vietnam veteran. And I'm still trying to figure out what that has to do with this whole thread. |
Originally Posted by Ranger
(Post 168367)
Actually, turbine PIC became an issue in the late 70's. I started my first commuter job in '78 (regionals were called commuters back then) and turbine PIC was a prime issue. It was a particular issue for civilian pilots. We had a hell of a time competing with the Vietnam era pilots still floating around in the system not to mention the remaining military guys, and later, gals.
But my opinion apparently doesn't matter nor does it count. I guess I'm arrogant, self-centered and oblivious. I don't know about all of that crap. But I do know that I am, in fact, a Vietnam veteran. And I'm still trying to figure out what that has to do with this whole thread. |
Hey Ranger
Originally Posted by Ranger
(Post 168367)
Actually, turbine PIC became an issue in the late 70's. I started my first commuter job in '78 (regionals were called commuters back then) and turbine PIC was a prime issue. It was a particular issue for civilian pilots. We had a hell of a time competing with the Vietnam era pilots still floating around in the system not to mention the remaining military guys, and later, gals.
But my opinion apparently doesn't matter nor does it count. I guess I'm arrogant, self-centered and oblivious. I don't know about all of that crap. But I do know that I am, in fact, a Vietnam veteran. And I'm still trying to figure out what that has to do with this whole thread. SkyHigh |
Horizon and Me
Turbine PIC has been prefered for a long time now. Space shuttle command time is highly regarded as well. Neither however was a requirement untill after 2001 at most airlines.
I could have stuck it out at Horizon Air and hindsight is 20/20, but even if I had I don't think it would have helped much. Had I stuck it out I could have reached 1000 hours of Dash 8 turbine PIC after perhaps 6 to 7 years at Horizon. I would have been pushing 40 years old by then. My competition was from 28 year old RJ captains from the east coast. I saw them at every interview I went to at Alaska Airlines. I was being aged out of the profession. I thought that my best chance was to be sitting in the interview with 757 PIC time and that is why I went to National Airlines. (they also paid much more) They were even promising a faster upgrade than the best estimate anyone had at Horizon. I took a risk. I had to. In order to win big we all have to risk big. At the time National Airlines was the darling of the industry. When jump seating on Alaska Airlines the captains were quizzing me on how to get hired there. By my lower 30's I had a new family and raising bills and needs. If my aviation career was going to survive I needed to reach my goals sooner than later. It almost worked too. Even with 1000 PIC in a Dash 8 it only would have slimed my odds to one in three. Most of my peers are still there grinding a path to and from SEA and PDX. By now they see the writing on the wall and have accepted their fate. Had I stayed I would be among them still and would be less than happy with those results. Skyhigh |
Wow Skyhigh, you seem really jealous. Get over it.
[QUOTE=SkyHigh;166856]
Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob
(Post 166776)
Really you and I are a lot alike. I am all about dissuading those who have better things to do than to waste their lives in a cold and still flight deck at 3:00 in the morning. To me flying is merely a job. I have a good life that I defend. Things that I value more than what the long and enduring sacrifices of a typical pilot career will give. What you give up in trade for the "cubicle" I claim to be inferior to the benefits of a life with financial rewards, friends and family. An aviation career is a loners paradise. I wish I had someone to tell me and my generation better. If someone wants if more than they can have it. I choose life. Had I known better I would have gone to sell junk bonds. There are better plumbs for the sacrifices to grasp. In conclusion, you and I are on the same team. You continue to cull those who would choose a lonely cold concrete hotel room over a life with people they know and love while I will continue to warn those who enjoy life and prosperity. Skyhigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 168757)
I took a risk. I had to. If my aviation career was going to survive I needed to reach my goals sooner than later. It almost worked too. As I wrote once in a past exchange, I have a very similar story. Maybe I was just too stupid to recognize that the career had me beat, but I stuck it out and now I'm doing quite well. Are you really doing well at your alternate career? If so, get off the computer and enjoy it. If not, as others have stated, almost every carrier existing today is hiring excepting AMR and AAA, so get back in the game. |
Get over it.
Originally Posted by skybolt
(Post 168789)
Ok, you admit that you were in control of your career. You made what seemed to be the best move at the time and it didn't work out. You're lucky, or well prepared, to have another career path outside of aviation. I seriously don't understand your obession with this issue.
As I wrote once in a past exchange, I have a very similar story. Maybe I was just too stupid to recognize that the career had me beat, but I stuck it out and now I'm doing quite well. Are you really doing well at your alternate career? If so, get off the computer and enjoy it. If not, as others have stated, almost every carrier existing today is hiring excepting AMR and AAA, so get back in the game. In addition I still think that there is a lot to lose as a pilot. I do not feel that the profession is accurately sold to the next generation and feel that I have a service to give. I might get back into the game at some point but it will be after my kids are mostly grown and after I hopefully don't need the airline income anymore. I will pick a job solely on its attractiveness to me and my life. SkyHig |
Jealious?
[QUOTE=4th & Goal;168785]Wow Skyhigh, you seem really jealous. Get over it.
The Jr high school kid in me is a little jealous but the rational adult is not. There is a price to be paid and the costs are rising while the benefits are falling. Everyone should stop periodically and take stock of their situation. Skyhigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 168745)
I have missed you Ranger. How have you been?
SkyHigh |
FWIW...I just helped an ASA guy get ready for a Delta interview. He left Horizon after 2 years...regretfully....to start over at ASA because he recognized the 7-8 year upgrade at Horizon and wanted to try to get his PIC sooner. So he backed up, started over at ASA, and the rest is history. So--now here he is....early 30s...and started over at Delta.
Did he have some setbacks? You bet. Does he have clear sailing for the rest of his life by getting on at Delta? Who knows. But he worked his butt off for his goal and got there. However--not an ounce of military time in his log books. Did work at Penn Air, some 135 stuff, and 2 regionals. Got turned down at another major on the way. But--here he goes--about to start at a major at what I consider to be a young age. Is he a freak or exception to every rule? Maybe. But he's there. And he did it. And I have to believe if he did a lot of other guys can too. |
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