Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2997684)

Given the hysteria, It’s only going to get worse. This is honestly the only option for salvaging our industry. Hit the reset button. The virus peaks and starts to decline. They announce an aggressive deep cleaning campaign. Come back with a bang. They need to rip the bandaid off right now though. Otherwise just putting along for months with falling bookings and hemorrhaging money is just going to burn through cash even faster. This is a psychological virus more than anything.

Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2997684)

Given the hysteria, It’s only going to get worse. This is honestly the only option for salvaging our industry. Hit the reset button. The virus peaks and starts to decline. They announce an aggressive deep cleaning campaign. Come back with a bang. They need to rip the bandaid off right now though. Otherwise just putting along for months with falling bookings and hemorrhaging money is just going to burn through cash even faster. This is a psychological virus more than anything.

Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2997684)

Given the hysteria, It’s only going to get worse. This is honestly the only option for salvaging our industry. Hit the reset button. The virus peaks and starts to decline. They announce an aggressive deep cleaning campaign. Come back with a bang. They need to rip the bandaid off right now though. Otherwise just putting along for months with falling bookings and hemorrhaging money is just going to burn through cash even faster. This is a psychological virus more than anything.

Originally Posted by labbats (Post 2997737)

If this was some flesh eating bacteria then sure I would agree with you. It’s the flu.

Originally Posted by ak68W (Post 2997767)

Media needs to stop spreading panic over the common cold virus. The idiotic masses need to go back to work and school and quit buying ramen and toilet paper. Sorry people it’s everywhere, you can’t hide from it, and it’s just not that bad for people without pre existing conditions. (Same as any other cold virus or flu). Media wants to ruin the economy since it’s an election year and that’s the main driving factor.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 2997774)

It’s possible activists are sensationalizing this to create a recession to affect the election (see some comments by Bill Maher who supports this strategy), and the administration is going to the extreme as a response.

Better for Washington to go beyond what’s necessary than to be criticized for not doing enough.

Originally Posted by ak68W (Post 2997767)

Media needs to stop spreading panic over the common cold virus. The idiotic masses need to go back to work and school and quit buying ramen and toilet paper. Sorry people it’s everywhere, you can’t hide from it, and it’s just not that bad for people without pre existing conditions. (Same as any other cold virus or flu). Media wants to ruin the economy since it’s an election year and that’s the main driving factor.

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2997772)

If the Admin had restricted travel from Asia back in Jan with everyone coming in getting tested before being released through customs, you can bet the media would claim it was xenophobia from the current admin.

You really can't win with those pricks, which is why I no longer watch the news.

Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2997684)

Given the hysteria, It’s only going to get worse. This is honestly the only option for salvaging our industry. Hit the reset button. The virus peaks and starts to decline. They announce an aggressive deep cleaning campaign. Come back with a bang. They need to rip the bandaid off right now though. Otherwise just putting along for months with falling bookings and hemorrhaging money is just going to burn through cash even faster. This is a psychological virus more than anything.

Originally Posted by trip (Post 2997807)

The DOD just halted all domestic travel, it's not just a "cold". It's insane to be operating airliners around the country right now. We need to stop flying for minimum two weeks and let the CDC re-evaluate.

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2997843)

As much as it would suck to shut down travel for a month, it kinda sounds like we're gonna end up there anyway and maybe a temporary halt might regain some semblance of reason to the mass population.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2997781)

yep. Italy shut down its entire economy to push trump toward a loss.

Originally Posted by PILOTGUY (Post 2997866)

Originally Posted by labbats (Post 2997818)

I find it hilarious that the same people who can’t be bothered to get a flu shot are now stocking up on soup and toilet paper and telling the whole world to grind to a stop.

Turn off the TV. Go for a walk. Read a book. This too shall pass.

Originally Posted by PILOTGUY (Post 2997866)

Originally Posted by kingairfun (Post 2998055)

If they were considering a 30 day shutdown... Seems it would be easy for the gov't to "bail out" airlines for a month... couple Billion dollars of aid to keep financials in order and everyone paid....

Wouldn't be too hard.. "Airline X, your revenue was $XX.xx last April, here you go, heres $XXX.xx million"

Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2997881)

exactly. Along with the CEO’s of Delta, United, and Disney. The head of the NCAA, NBA, and all other sports leagues, the head of Augusta National. All of whom likely voted for trump, and will again. Yep, they all decided to go along with the media conspiracy to get trump out of office. Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 2998285)

https://www.foxnews.com/media/corona...vor-dont-panic

Here is the reality of coronavirus. This lady would have never known she had it if it wasn’t for the fact she was in a flu study.

Nor any of her multiple friends who were at the party with her.

The reality is that many multitudes more people have this, or already had it and are better, than is being reported because we are only testing the worst cases. We are only testing the people showing up at the hospitals.

Imagine if we only tested flu cases that ended in the hospital as well.

As we begin to test many hundreds of thousand more we will quickly realize this isn’t killing anywhere near the % being thrown around.


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Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2998300)

Aaaaahhhhhnnnyway. While you all argue. 30 days now for all of us, or many years for a lot of us later. It’s getting close to the point of no return as far as economic damage. Preserve now, or die a slow death. China did it, South Korea is almost out of it.

Originally Posted by paulcg77 (Post 2998292)

The same article is on CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/healt...der/index.html). What the Fox News article conveniently leaves out that is in the CNN article is that this woman is only 37 years old. Yes, this virus represents nothing worse than the seasonal flu (in terms of danger/risk) for the vast majority of Americans under the age of 70. This is already known, acknowledged, and old news. This virus has a higher mortality rate in people over 70 and those younger with serious medical conditions (comorbidities like type 2 diabetes, heart disease and autoimmune diseases).



Based on pre-existing data we're getting from Europe (Not China or Iran), COVID-19 is significantly more deadly than the seasonal flu for these at-risk groups (>70 years old or with those specific pre-existing conditions); it's somewhere between the flu and SARS in terms of mortality rates, but it's significantly more infectious than SARS. The reason why Trump/Pence are taking drastic action right now is because of the "flattening the curve" argument. If even half of those older Americans (>50 million in this demographic) get sick and go to the hospital, it will overwhelm our hospitals and our healthcare system in general. If this happens, more people will die, not because coronavirus is so incredibly deadly, but because we will not have the resources to treat everyone as we normally would. This is what is currently happening in northern Italy.



If you think Trump/Pence are making the wrong decisions, that's between you and them. I for one am extremely grateful that they are now taking this more seriously and doing what they are doing. I hope it's over soon but if we don't try to flatten that curve by buying ourselves more time and reducing the strain on our hospitals, it will get much worse. And not for 37 year olds like the woman in the article you posted, but for my elderly parents and grandparents.

Originally Posted by paulcg77 (Post 2998240)

^^^This. Along these same lines, I'm sure China temporarily dismantled part of its economy and the Prime Minister of Canada's wife got this just to help the MSM score points against Trump so that he loses. I'm sure Trump ordered the DOD to no longer let active duty military like my wife travel outside the US, I'm sure his European travel ban, and I'm sure Pence's words about considering domestic travel restrictions is because they hate themselves and they want to collude with democrats, CNN and Rachel Maddow.

The ignorance, paranoia and flat out stupidity on here is breathtaking.

Originally Posted by paulcg77 (Post 2998305)

There are even some senior Chinese bureaucrats who are pushing a conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was created by the US government and spread by US Army soldiers who were visiting Hubei a few months before the known outbreak started. I wish I was joking but I'm not (https://qz.com/1817736/china-fuels-c...aming-us-army/). Now that the internet is awash in fake news, why not, I guess. There are plenty of people stupid enough to believe that this might have been created by the US government, just like the people who believe this was a Chinese bioweapons lab experiment gone wrong, and the people who believed/still believe this is a media hoax to hurt Trump's re-election. People are stupid.