Boeing predicts an Airline Bankruptcy
05-14-2020, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by turbojet28
This is a good point. And I agree that there are an alarming number of people who are either unwilling or unable to think and decide for themselves. It really is crazy how something that should be, essentially, black-and-white, true-or-false, has just morphed into a political divide. I mean, it’s clear as day to anyone willing to pay attention: if you are younger than 70 and/or generally healthy, you very likely will not die from this. You just won’t. But it is sad to see even a health crisis come down to politics driving wedges between people. I guess I still hold out hope that truth will ultimately prevail.
We had this discussion at the dinner table last night. I think if this happens when a dem was in office, the sides would be the same, they would be mandating closing and moving the goal posts every few days. In some ways we are lucky, guys in my neck of the woods would be getting ready for action if the feds mandated endless shelter in place.
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05-14-2020, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by turbojet28
This is a good point. And I agree that there are an alarming number of people who are either unwilling or unable to think and decide for themselves. It really is crazy how something that should be, essentially, black-and-white, true-or-false, has just morphed into a political divide. I mean, it’s clear as day to anyone willing to pay attention: if you are younger than 70 and/or generally healthy, you very likely will not die from this. You just won’t. But it is sad to see even a health crisis come down to politics driving wedges between people. I guess I still hold out hope that truth will ultimately prevail.
05-14-2020, 12:16 PM
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Calhoun is in damage control now. Maybe think before you speak next time?
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05-14-2020, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by turbojet28
IMHO, the nursing home issue is a very big deal that isn’t getting its deserved attention. Cuomo in NY issued an executive order in the third week of March that compelled nursing homes to re-admit covid-positive patients that were discharged from hospitals, but before they had recovered. That is insane. There are many instances of nursing home officials sounding the alarm on this order before the outbreak escalated, saying how facilities weren’t equipped for this type of care and that it would cause many, many more deaths than necessary. Turns out, they were right. And meanwhile, the Javits Center and USS Freedom were, for the most part, empty. This is a major policy failure that needs to come to light.
05-14-2020, 01:05 PM
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The media is screwing us all up. Trying to keep everyone home for the liberals.
trying very hard to remove Trump. If Trump had his way we would all be doing a lot better. Vote people
trying very hard to remove Trump. If Trump had his way we would all be doing a lot better. Vote people
05-14-2020, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
And why should anyone listen to Boeing? Get your own house in order before you start evaluating ours. Dude is spouting off in public to serve his own agenda.
05-14-2020, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingofleisure
Boeing is a ****** show and nobody is quicker to say that than their employees. Bad! I 100% agree with you but it’d be 110% if Buffet hadn’t voted with his feet and a huge loss... After telling everybody it was just to get under the 10% ownership restrictions. He might know a thing or two don’t ya think?
Yes and no. Buffet did give his thumbs up to current airline management but he is looking for ROI. When do you think we will se buybacks and dividends that benefit the investors at airlines. In other words we may not fail but might not be give the returns that Buffet wants.
05-14-2020, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Downtime
Yes and no. Buffet did give his thumbs up to current airline management but he is looking for ROI. When do you think we will se buybacks and dividends that benefit the investors at airlines. In other words we may not fail but might not be give the returns that Buffet wants.
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05-14-2020, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
What is becoming alarmingly apparent to me at least is that your political leanings drive your perception of reality on this virus. My wife's group of very long-time, very good friends is now split violently down the middle, with the hysterical crowd actually accusing the non-hysterical crowd (via zoom) of endangering their lives. I assume it's due to their media bubble, since none of them have any kind of technical background by which to evaluate the raw data for themselves.
So I think we've lost 30% or more to huddling in their safe spaces behind bastions of charmin. They're not coming out to play until their political masters give the all-clear, or until a vaccine irrefutably establishes herd immunity.
So I think we've lost 30% or more to huddling in their safe spaces behind bastions of charmin. They're not coming out to play until their political masters give the all-clear, or until a vaccine irrefutably establishes herd immunity.
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05-15-2020, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Opakapaka
If Trump had his way we would all be doing a lot better. Vote people.
The US has 80K dead now from the coronavirus. South Korea had the first case of coronavirus reported on the same day as the US but South Korea only has 260 deaths so far. South Korea has a population of about 51 million so the US has close to 6.5 times the population of South Korea. So the US has 80,000/260 = 307 times more deaths than South Korea, despite having a population that is 6.5 times the population of South Korea. Our death rate is 47 times worse than South Korea per capita. It will only get worse.
Oh, and South Korea also has an unemployment rate of 3.8% right now. If only the federal government had listened to the experts in January, like the governments of Germany, South Korea, etc., we could begin reopening without adding to the death toll.
But we got tweets instead of leadership:
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine.”February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
March 13: "I take no responsibility."
So yes, I agree. Vote people. Vote for competence. This was an avoidable calamity.
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