Seattle residents angry at Boeing for moving
 

Seattle residents are livid that Boeing is moving the 787 production to South Carolina.

Check out some of their reactions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55EdhyGILmQ

In other news, water is wet.

Was that first citizen’s quote “we need stability, and if you can’t offer stability we don’t need you here”. I guess Boeing got the message.

The quote was: That’s a state Republican talking to Dori Monson who’s like a localized version of Rush Limbaugh but more theatrically irate at everything and shows it by ranting like a 12 year old girl who didn’t get tickets to that K-Pop concert.

Seattle should really try to suck less at everything.

Would think Seattle residents would be very excited with this news of a Climate changing dirty company leaving.
Scut

Not likely the last piece of Boeing to pack up and leave the freak show that is Puget Sound.

That is some serious spin. CNN would be proud
However we all know it’s the leadership of that state that is causing the mass exodus. The same style leadership that is causing a UHaul shortage in California and New York as well.

#ChasnotChaz

Part of the move is probably due to the Seattle business/political culture. South Carolina is probably more business friendly, but it is also a right to work state and Boeing has a long history of labor issues and strikes in Seattle.

I think he meant to say stability but if my ears weren’t deceiving me he made up a new word pronounced stabability. And he said it twice. So...i dunno.

he for sure said stateability. He was meaning stability of course. But wanting to sound smart on a tv interview makes people say stupid stuff. I’m sure I would

way to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yep. More business friendly and a right to work state. That always means lower wages. Businesses kind of like those things. Can’t blame them but further erosion of the middle class. We all cannot be CEOs for a living.

It’s not the erosion of the middle class, it is a shift in the location of the middle class. Moving to SC will provide good jobs there. Even if the wages are slightly lower, the lower cost of living will compensate for that and the middle class in SC will thrive as the result of thousands of new jobs, as well as benefit from living in a state with increasing tax revenues. Government (federal, state, and municipal included) can’t raise corporate taxes and the cost of doing business and expect businesses want to remain in that environment. To use a marriage analogy, you can’t treat your wife like garbage and expect her to smile and put out. If you keep treating her bad, she will go somewhere else, never to return.

Seattle is also a lot more crowded than it was in decades past, which happened everywhere of course, but due to geography there isn’t much land. Add the far left turn the politics have taken there, Seattle isn’t the lumber, fishing, and airplane town it used to be.

Personally, I’d rather live in SC if I was in a workers shoes. Much more affordable. Your money goes a lot further than in Seattle, allowing those people to have a shot at building wealth.

And her leaving. Is a bad thing?

Idk about that theory....seems a lot of women get the crap beat out of them on a regular basis.....and keep coming back for more....because they know the guy 'loves' them.

Not to mention the 'Pimpin aint easy' dysfunction. 😆

It just warms my heart to see all the schadenfreude here. Who wouldn't celebrate the loss of good unionized jobs to a right to work state because it owns the libs?

So true, recently left Cali with family and the prices were very high and inventory very low on uhaul trucks. Had to get the truck and trailer at separate locations... They said they've been inundated with one way reservations leaving the state. When I arrived at our destination, there was no room for our truck and they had to move me to another location to drop off. Crazy

Enjoying open parks and nice people, I feel like I just came to the United States of America after leaving california lol

Her leaving isn’t a bad thing, but when she takes the good half of your stuff with her (jobs and tax revenue in the Boeing example), you realize that you would have been better off making her want to stay by treating her well and then kicking the cat when nobody is looking.

Please move all the low skilled, low paying factory assembly jobs to South Carolina. Just be sure to keep the high skill, high paying management and engineering jobs in Seattle (which they are).

and Everett would still lose 20k+ jobs. Talk about tanking a local economy.

My thoughts exactly, so much for supporting our unionized brothers & sisters out there. Sure hope some of you cheer your own management's moves when it comes time to close your domicile, reduce flying or ask for concessions.

Where does it say that the jobs created in SC won’t be union jobs? The public support for unions is definitely declining in this country, but formation or membership in a union is still very much allowed, just not required.

I don’t believe there are any union workers in the SC plant. Workers in SC have almost no protections against being fired for trying to join a union

https://www.postandcourier.com/busin...aeaee858c.html

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Also, here it is, on Boeings own website:
https://weareboeingsc.com/our-union-position/

Quote:

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The IAM wants to take us back to the old way of doing things. We’ve got a better thing going at Boeing South Carolina. Let’s keep moving forward. Let’s face challenges standing side-by-side, not sitting across from each other in union negotiations. Let’s keep getting things done without the divisiveness.

Let’s protect what we’ve built at Boeing South Carolina.

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The schadenfreude is amazing. Union members cheering Boeing leaving a blue state that has worker protections and that is unionized. Cut off your nose to spite your face, as long as it owns the libs!

I assume you've never been a part of an organizing effort? It's not like you can just flip the switch and voila! Union. Nope.

Unionizing in a southern state with millions of dollars in Boeing's war chest along with hiring professional union busting firms? Good luck with that. From the 2017 organizing effort;

"If they get a foothold in a plant that size, that may help in efforts to expand beyond that location," South Carolina Manufacturers Alliance president Lewis Gossett said before the vote. "I don’t know a single business person that wants a union to be successful there."

The alliance, an industry coalition in Columbia, ran television spots opposing the union on local stations in the weeks before the vote, including during the Super Bowl. Residents say TV, radio and billboard advertising has been ubiquitous.

Labor's weakness in South Carolina is partly due to intense opposition from local politicians. Former governor Nikki Haley, now Trump's ambassador to the United Nations, said she opposed firms with unionized labor opening facilities in her state, even though new factories would presumably mean more work for her constituents."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...have-a-chance/

I’ve been involved with getting a union on the property. I never said that it was fast, there is a process to follow and then a vote. You accurately cover the political opposition to unions, but you are not taking into account the local cultural opposition. It could be that they don’t want a union. I live in a very rural part of the country. People here are very hard working, self sufficient, and conservative. They seem almost offended when they find out that I’m in a union and that I don’t look at it as a bad thing or necessary evil. They don’t want a union telling them how many hours they can work, when they can work, or how many breaks that they need to have. They have also watched businesses (employers) leave areas where city and state governments have increased the cost of doing business through high taxes and regulatory hurdles. They watched the auto makers flee Detroit. They want no part of it. Don’t shoot the messenger, but we look at unions through a biased viewpoint. Most people, especially in the south and Midwest, see things differently.

I'm actually from small town Midwest as it were and while generally conservative it was quite a union friendly place. So I understand that side of it as well, though our neighbors and co-workers saw the value in unions. So the small town argument just quite won't work on its own.

And it isn't governments chasing businesses out of town, it's the unpleasant side of capitalism at work pleasing the shareholders at their own employee's expense. Regulations and taxes are a part of life as are worker's rights, making profits and running a successful business. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

I think there are plenty of things a state can do to make it undesirable to do business somewhere. High taxes, building restrictions and over regulation of businesses, not providing policing of areas near where a business operates (higher crime especially around the business front itself)

while I agree Boeing probably made the move because of their detest for unions, there are plenty of things states can do to make doing business there undesirable.

just to clarify, What Boeing is doing is classic union busting so they can save money for stock buybacks and dealing with their MAX fiasco (also caused by shady business practices). But states can absolutely drive business away

I’d don’t think that it is any one thing that drives businesses to relocate, but a combination of things. A unionized workforce or slightly higher tax structure alone won’t do it, but when you combine regulatory hurdles with higher taxes and labor cost, businesses are going to go to where the grass is greener. You are right, these things aren’t mutually exclusive, but combined they do shape corporate behavior and employees can find themselves priced out of the market when existing companies leave, and new ones settle elsewhere. This decision could also be about simple logistics as well. Being that the days of building a plane from scratch in SEA are long gone, it could be that it is just easier to ship and assemble the various pieces parts in another facility.

No one should be forced to join a union to get or keep a job, or be forced to pay for a union if they are not a member. And no company should be forced to accept a union on their property.

Well those “low skilled“ workers will enjoy a clean and safe downtown Charleston without having to be the victim of Chaz or stepping in some homeless person’s ****.
I’d say they are getting a good deal moving to a red state.
Seems to be a pattern recently 🤔

Just don’t do what all the other Californians fleeing the state are doing: voting the same idiots into government that ruined California.

You mean like Austin? I had a captain tell me his neighbor moved from CA to get away from the taxes and regulations. This guy would complain about how messed up CA was, and then talk about how Texas needs to get rid of all of the guns, vote for Bernie (2016 election), and enact environmental restrictions to prevent urban sprawl.

I hear North Charleston is a utopian dream!

There may not actually be much in the way of savings. Management gets payed for taking action regardless of outcome. Moving may look like a good idea at the time but the problems you flee soon catch up.

Those companies do exist if thats your thing. They like you to provide your own type and then tend to pay around $20/hr.

Not this again. Seriously, how long have you been in this industry?

And why do you think major airline pilot salaries are what they are?

I do hope that you work at a non union outfit. If not, I would encourage you to leave your current stinking union job and go to a nonunion outfit.

Damned unions ... In the past they sucked the life out of corporations and built a non deserving middle class.