ULCC captain to Legacy?
01-17-2022, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
I had a college buddy decide to be a lifer at Comair after he got turned down by one Legacy in 2001. Not sure why he didn’t keep trying. He went down with the ship and is now an electrician in Ohio.
01-17-2022, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
I had a college buddy decide to be a lifer at Comair after he got turned down by one Legacy in 2001. Not sure why he didn’t keep trying. He went down with the ship and is now an electrician in Ohio.
good for him. do what is best for you and the family, always
01-17-2022, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
wonder if 9-11 played a role. and a wife who said "we need dad home now" etc
good for him. do what is best for you and the family, always
good for him. do what is best for you and the family, always
01-18-2022, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
My friends there tell me it's swirling down the toilet with no end in sight. 20+ year guys are filling out apps now.
01-18-2022, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Zerosilver84
Not only skywest. Endeavor is in the same boat. Especially since you have 15 year CAs flowing to delta every month. Our senority list is actually smaller now than it was back in October. That's less than 2000 pilots.
The majors will continue to grow significantly because there is a ton of demand for flying. And the majors are now competing head on with the ULCCs with their Basic Economy product. Except that the legacies have free soda and water, unlike the ULCCs.
So the hiring at the legacies will continue full speed until demand for flying declines. And I don't see that happening any time soon, especially when demand's this high in the middle of a pandemic.
01-18-2022, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
The regional model is going to continue to shrink. Most regionals will go out of business. Those that don't go out of business will find their seniority lists shrink.
The majors will continue to grow significantly because there is a ton of demand for flying. And the majors are now competing head on with the ULCCs with their Basic Economy product. Except that the legacies have free soda and water, unlike the ULCCs.
So the hiring at the legacies will continue full speed until demand for flying declines. And I don't see that happening any time soon, especially when demand's this high in the middle of a pandemic.
The majors will continue to grow significantly because there is a ton of demand for flying. And the majors are now competing head on with the ULCCs with their Basic Economy product. Except that the legacies have free soda and water, unlike the ULCCs.
So the hiring at the legacies will continue full speed until demand for flying declines. And I don't see that happening any time soon, especially when demand's this high in the middle of a pandemic.
the legacies can't afford to act like a ULCC
just a small part
01-18-2022, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
small important part:
the legacies can't afford to act like a ULCC
just a small part
the legacies can't afford to act like a ULCC
just a small part
Which passengers do you think the legacies are targeting with Basic Economy?
01-18-2022, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
They already are with Basic Economy. The legacies don't need to take all of the low yield traffic; just enough to fill the entire cabin. Before Basic Economy, the legacies left those low yield passengers to the ULCCs. No more.
Which passengers do you think the legacies are targeting with Basic Economy?
Which passengers do you think the legacies are targeting with Basic Economy?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/benbaldanza/2022/01/12/four-initiatives-that-have-changed-united-airlines-flight-plan/
01-18-2022, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
We’re not acting like ULCC’s Andy, I’d say we’re much closer to copying the Delta model, which is aimed at attracting and retaining higher-paying business customers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/benbald...s-flight-plan/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/benbald...s-flight-plan/
Corporate even stated this was the goal of Basic Economy when it was rolled out. And both Delta and American have the same Basic Economy programs.
Basic Economy is definitely NOT targeted at high paying business customers.
If you look at what is offered/restrictions in Basic Economy and compare it with ULCCs, you will see it's similar to what Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant offer.
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