CVG767A

Regardless of who saved whom, the east guys are directing their anger at the wrong party. This decision was made by an arbitrator, not by the west guys. It's either going to be upheld by ALPA or not. My guess is that it will be upheld. At that point, the east guys can either choose to live with it, or burn the house down.

For the sake of the guys I know on both sides, I hope they don't run the company into the ground (more than it already has been, that is).

saab2000

filler filler....

edited my post out of existence.

Worldguy

If I was an "East" guy, I would say, "burn the house down". But...I am not. These mergers and the strife that arises from them is ALWAYS the result of the actions of the Upper management. They are NEVER the result of the "you and me" folks doing the job. I hope I am never ALPA, I have seen too much to hope to be represented by that bunch. Eastern. PanAm. TWA. AAA. and all these people keep paying alpa. Lord help us. When are we going to break this cycle. We are all professionals who do the same thing yet alot of us still gauge our success by the company we are with. So naive. I feel the pain of the AAA pilots.
WG

I am a Teamster and it isnt any better with IBT, we all have to take control of our destiny. Take it out of the hands of ALPA and Teamsters. Not sure what the answer is but it sure doens't seem to be the 2 main representative unions available to us pilots.

NGINEWHOISWHAT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oVuLJS_Eok

Worldguy

everybody needs to get past this "who my company is" attitude and wake up to the reality that we are ALL professional pilots under attack by those that employ us, IE: those that need us to make money for them.
Can we please start from that viewpoint when we begin our arguments?

Cheers,
WG

Worldguy

United, Delta, American, Northwest, USAir/America West, Frontier, JetBlue, SWA, FEDEX/UPSwho cares? The company is not here for us, we are here for ourselves, let's get with that program.

Cheers,
WG

Bucking Bar

I thought the Teachers' Retirement Fund saved US Air.

spitfire1500

Those two regionals I understand have already cashed out on their investments (making quite a bit of cash) which they would have lost altogether without the America West deal.

saab2000

Good for the owners. They did indeed make a lot of $$$.

Mergers suck. I am on the right seat of an RJ because of one of them.

Thankfully nobody actually got forced to the street in the US Airways/America West "deal/transaction". There will always be winners and losers in such deals.

Nature of the beast unfortunately.

cactusmike

The Teachers fund out of Alabama saved AAA during the 2 rounds of CH 11 until they could find someone willing to buy them out. That was Parker and AWA. TPG (Bonderman) was a major (controlling) investor in AWA. As part of this deal TPG took their millions in profits and went away. TPG was also a big player in CO.

Without this deal AAA was history. The merger was in May, AAA would have been out of cash by September. AWA may have been in trouble (relatively speaking - we would have deferred delivery of jets due the next year) had fuel prices continued to rise but they did not. We still made money. I would like to see the East guys focus more on getting a joint contract than on the seniority list. There was no windfall for the West - all our upgrading stopped and the new jets we had on order are going East. We were supposed to get 12 more 757s at AWA - they never showed up - the East got 3 of them. Now with the new Airbus order where do you suppose the A350s will go? Remember, AWA held the original order for 20.