Originally Posted by tom11011

Its the inside scoop.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Straight from the Allegiant forums?

Originally Posted by putzin

Sooo, why go to meetings or picket? For the food?

Originally Posted by at6d

I’ve heard that some at SWA took the early out, got hired at FedEx, and have already upgraded. High five if true….

Originally Posted by FahQ2

Talked the other day with a Southwest buddy of mine catching a jumpseat out of LAX on NK. He said the FO seemed pretty new to the company, and shortly into cruise the captain was asking him about where he had his apps out, and then spent the rest of the flight trying to convince the guy it was in his best interest to bail. He caught eyes a few times with the FO who was super uncomfortable, and when the captain tried to get my buddy into the discussion he tried to skip the topic to something else.

We aren’t going to see record turnout at LEC meetings or picket events when our own guys are out on the line making new hires second guess themselves.

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker

Captain clueless. I’m sure he was taking his own advice right? Oh wait I have golden handcuffs that’s why I’m not leaving. Lol.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

And we had just over 100 at a FLL picketing event last contract. We have 1 person running for elected office in 77, and routinely low single digits at LEC meeting throughout the network. One of the most pathetic stats from last contract was only around 70% of pilots even opened their Spirit negotiating committee emails that they received, this from the MEC.

So I’m sorry if I don’t have faith that “this time will be different”. I’m well aware who my dance partners are and I’ve accepted the level of apathy around it. I hate this fact, as I attended multiple picketing events of poor turnout last time with us, but it’s a fact nonetheless.

You’ll never see an industry leading contract at Spirit, these are hard cold facts. Stop with the “if we just work hard and believe” Disneyworld BS. Maybe if guys focused on what’s obtainable, got unified somewhat with that, we could have a chance to obtain that. I’m glad at least FNGFO sees this glaring reality.

You want a “good reason why we can’t have an industry leading contract,” well a “good reason” is subjective, but here are the facts; management will never want to pay industry leading, because they don’t have to. They will park planes vs paying 3000+ a crap ton more money to be “industry leading”. Even IF we make it to section 6 as a stand alone (we won’t) no NMB mediator would entertain meeting with us if we don’t remain in the “zone of reasonableness” for our ask. “Rock bottom to Top Dog” is nowhere close to that zone, and we would be put on ice indefinitely and management would continue to save while we wait. We would still be on ice from last contract if we were waiting for $320/hr A320 pilots and 17% DC, on ice and top CAs stuck at $180 and FOs at $38. This pilot shortage isn’t forever, it’s a window open for 5 years, and management can’t and will wait it out.


Want more money? It’s coming, by way of JBLU. At least their CEO recognizes pilot pay will need to increase while our management group is updating their resumes on LinkedIn.

Originally Posted by symbian simian

Tin, that is what they are made of. 9 years at NK, 10 years left to go. Just updated my airline apps again. Suggest to every FO who has been here less than 5 years, and is younger than 45 to keep their options open. (I definitely would take my advice 5 years ago if I was 10 years younger.) But even if he was not planning to leave, that doesn't make his suggestion to his FO should leave "clueless". He is a captain already, we are looking at 5 year upgrades followed by a few years on reserve. I upgraded in less than 3, never sat reserve, and am around 20% seniority. To get to 20% seniority if you just got hired, with our retirements will take over 10K pilots. And that is before you take the merger into account. I would suggest you are the one who is clueless.

Originally Posted by symbian simian

Tin, that is what they are made of. 9 years at NK, 10 years left to go. Just updated my airline apps again. Suggest to every FO who has been here less than 5 years, and is younger than 45 to keep their options open. (I definitely would take my advice 5 years ago if I was 10 years younger.) But even if he was not planning to leave, that doesn't make his suggestion to his FO should leave "clueless". He is a captain already, we are looking at 5 year upgrades followed by a few years on reserve. I upgraded in less than 3, never sat reserve, and am around 20% seniority. To get to 20% seniority if you just got hired, with our retirements will take over 10K pilots. And that is before you take the merger into account. I would suggest you are the one who is clueless.