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Old 07-09-2022 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville

This is nothing but more selfishness from the most selfish generation ever. The boomers at the end of their careers planned poorly, wasted their money when they were young, relied on a pension that was underfunded for a decade instead of starting their own investments, and even after they got retirement age raised once to make up for it, they still couldn't make it work so now they want another bite of the apple. No. You made bad life choices, and that's not my problem. Buh bye. Shoo. Good riddance. I can't wait for the working environment in this industry to improve when they leave and take their politics, grouchiness, selfishness, and conspiracy theories with them.
Sounds like you have a very very very long career ahead of you. Those behind the Boomers will take their same form as well as those behind them when it’s their turn. Definitely not all will stay but the majority will drag it out to the limit whatever that might be and labeled the same as above it’s just cyclic. Terrorism, 08 market, Pandemic, industry competition, etc. What you said is sound thinking Good Luck - take your own advice you will need it. Optimizer’s aren’t going away unlike some of those you detest for your sake. Enjoy your decades of fun if you can, wish you the best whatever that might be.

*While I’m not a Boomer (wouldn’t mind if I was) I have planned accordingly and at this point it’s just fun (I don’t live in the pax world or much of an optimizer outfit).
Old 07-09-2022 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville

This is nothing but more selfishness from the most selfish generation ever. The boomers at the end of their careers planned poorly, wasted their money when they were young, relied on a pension that was underfunded for a decade instead of starting their own investments, and even after they got retirement age raised once to make up for it, they still couldn't make it work so now they want another bite of the apple. No. You made bad life choices, and that's not my problem. Buh bye. Shoo. Good riddance. I can't wait for the working environment in this industry to improve when they leave and take their politics, grouchiness, selfishness, and conspiracy theories with them.
Generalize much? I am younger than boomer, but only by a few years (so maybe you are not talking to me). I am not grouchy, definitely not conspiracy theorist, leave my (left wing) politics out of the cockpit. Age 65 meant I spent 5 more years displaced as an FO working for regional pay. Never had a pension to rely on, but it saving isn't easy when you don't make money. Wife and I worked full time, shared one car, rented one of the two bedrooms in our apartment out, and waited with having kids until we felt we could afford them. Aside from getting into aviation I would love you to come over one evening, have a beer, and explain to me all the bad choices I made.
I flew with a boomer. He was at UAL for 30 years, and was the first one to leave without a pension. Plenty of money in the bank because he saved, but still mad that they took about $5M away from him. Went back to flying to pay for his kids medical school. Is that selfish?
Old 07-09-2022 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by C17B74
Sounds like you have a very very very long career ahead of you. Those behind the Boomers will take their same form as well as those behind them when it’s their turn. Definitely not all will stay but the majority will drag it out to the limit whatever that might be and labeled the same as above it’s just cyclic. Terrorism, 08 market, Pandemic, industry competition, etc. What you said is sound thinking Good Luck - take your own advice you will need it. Optimizer’s aren’t going away unlike some of those you detest for your sake. Enjoy your decades of fun if you can, wish you the best whatever that might be.

*While I’m not a Boomer (wouldn’t mind if I was) I have planned accordingly and at this point it’s just fun (I don’t live in the pax world or much of an optimizer outfit).
If it wasn't for the 20 years of sacrifice by those boomers you wouldn't have an airline to work for or a job. So be careful who you call selfish you spoiled little brat.
Old 07-09-2022 | 05:13 PM
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You support age 67 or you support foreign pilots on work visas. Have fun explaining to your family member trying to get hired that you supported foreigners taking their job and driving down wages. Or putting up with 24 months of senior pilots bidding minimum schedules and maybe costing you 3 months to an upgrade if anything since the airline can grow. In fact 67 could accelerate upgrades in my opinion. As usual the short sighted pilots always step in it. Enjoy your displacements.
Old 07-09-2022 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
Keep drinking the ALPA coolaide. I suspect I could run circles around Mr Margaritaville even tho I'm possibly 20 years his senior. Not a gramps yet and as sharp as I've ever been. BTW I'm an extreme sports athlete so careful on your labeling you just might be full of sh*t.
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Old 07-09-2022 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
Keep drinking the ALPA coolaide. I suspect I could run circles around Mr Margaritaville even tho I'm possibly 20 years his senior. Not a gramps yet and as sharp as I've ever been. BTW I'm an extreme sports athlete so careful on your labeling you just might be full of sh*t.
Shuffle board is not an extreme sport. I don’t know who told you it was, but they lied to you.
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
Keep drinking the ALPA coolaide. I suspect I could run circles around Mr Margaritaville even tho I'm possibly 20 years his senior. Not a gramps yet and as sharp as I've ever been. BTW I'm an extreme sports athlete so careful on your labeling you just might be full of sh*t.
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Old 07-09-2022 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
If it wasn't for the 20 years of sacrifice by those boomers you wouldn't have an airline to work for or a job. So be careful who you call selfish you spoiled little brat.
Ummmm, I believe your are referring to “Margarit’s” uneducated, inexperienced, self serving rant on the Boomers. I have been flying for decades in the military and the civilian side and greatly appreciate the efforts made even prior to my arrival. Thankful I do not have decades looming before me and able to punch out whenever and that it most likely will be my choice (barring med/unforeseen event). Folks need to manage their expectations otherwise life will do it for you.

*Literally the overall answer was “No one cares”, youth is King for a bit, old is wisdom for awhile, but overall you get what you get life goes on with or without you. Karma…
Old 07-09-2022 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville

This is nothing but more selfishness from the most selfish generation ever. The boomers at the end of their careers planned poorly, wasted their money when they were young, relied on a pension that was underfunded for a decade instead of starting their own investments, and even after they got retirement age raised once to make up for it, they still couldn't make it work so now they want another bite of the apple. No. You made bad life choices, and that's not my problem. Buh bye. Shoo. Good riddance. I can't wait for the working environment in this industry to improve when they leave and take their politics, grouchiness, selfishness, and conspiracy theories with them.
I keep seeing “most selfish generation ever” comments about Boomers. I’m not saying you’re wrong, or right, just curious wth data you’re basing that moral castigation upon?

Bloomers started their careers during Black Monday financial drop, saw the demise of Eastern, Pan Am, and Midway, dealt with the recession of 92-93, 9/11, housing crisis and financial collapse of 08…. And now Covid. When Boomers were in their 20-30’s unless you were ex-mil, getting hired at a major was a statistical anomaly. In 93, to get hired at a regional, you had to pay THEM… the application fee, the sim check fee, and then 10k or so to have the high privilege of sittin in the right seat of a Brazilia.


It seems a tad rich that pilots with barely any PIC turbine are getting hired at major airlines, some of which until now wouldn’t have considered you without a college degree and maybe ex-mil, and whom are enjoying the benefits of the Boomers that negotiated and fought for the contracts new hires are enjoying would be considered “greediest generation ever”…… but, could be wrong. Just like to know what you’re basing that statement on.
Old 07-09-2022 | 11:30 PM
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Gen X’ers from like 1998 on didn’t have an easy path either, and many of us didn’t hit the Major mark until 2015 because they all required turbine PIC, which may have been hard to come by after 9/11 and 2008. The hiring at this time is truly in unprecedented territory, and the lowest quals to get on with a major in my lifetime. We can’t choose when we were born, but I’m grateful for the pathfinders that came before us.
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