False. Pay has dramatically increased at the regionals and yet the pilot shortage is only getting worse.

 

LOL you can't be serious. Using your logic that must mean that increasing pay makes the pilot shortage worse. Did you ever consider that the so-called shortage would be a lot worse if they hadn't increased pay and that maybe they just haven't increased it enough to fix the problem?

If the regionals paid every pilot $500k a year do you think they would have substantially more pilots applying over time or would that make the shortage worse in your mind?

 

You fail to comprehend that regional pay is not the problem. Training costs, and the time between training and regional entry is the problem. Moving regional pay to $500k/yr still doesn't fix that. This has been explained multiple times.

 

Well I think it would help..being able to pay off your flight school loans out of your first year 500k regional salary kinda would motivate people to sign up for flight school 😂

 

If regional pay was $500k/year there would be countless number of college students who would change their major to Aviation and even older people in other fields who would take out loans or mortgage their homes to pay for training and maybe even buy their own plane to get to 1500 hours in order to make $500k/year at a regional. How is that not obvious to you?

What if the regionals paid $2 million/year? Do you still think that wouldn't happen?

 

You’re so incredibly wrong and insist on doubling down on your complete and utter BS that is blows my mind.

Removing the ATP requirement for FOs or lowering the requirements for the ATP itself would only make a difference for the pilots who are CURRENTLY between their commercial and their first airline job. Once you exhausted that pool you’re right back to where we are right now. Nothing changes if you don’t increase the number of people who WANT to be airline pilots.

The problem is that nobody WANTED to be an airline pilot in the first place, because of the garbage pay which meant you’d be paying off that expensive cost of entry for a loooong time. The way to increase the number of people who want to become airline pilots is to increase the payoff, not institute changes that would lead to a reduced payoff, which is why we’re in this position in the first place!

This has been explained to you multiple times.

 

Given that Sen Graham is already rounding up support for an age change, I'm guessing that it will change in 2023 and there's nothing we can do to stop it. I know that's not what people want to read, but given how much opposition there was to 65 and we couldn't stop that (that also happened pretty quickly once Congress got involved), I am bracing for a couple of years of very little movement on the seniority list. The good thing is that 65 is an easier time for pilots to retire since they'll be immediately eligible for medicare - that should get a reasonable percentage to retire.

 

Sonic flyer runs a flight school. That should offer some context for their posts

 

I think what sonic is trying to say is that a lot of people don’t want to go or can’t afford to go through the hardship between 250 and 1500 because the QOL and pay is just so bad.

Ask any student/CFI in a flight school - no one will complain about regional pay AT THAT POINT. They are mostly worried about being able to pay back debt and being able to earn enough to support themselves till getting the 1500.

 

$1M for a new Cirrus.
$6.50/Gallon 100LL
17 Gallons/hr.
$15,000/yr Insurance
$9,000/yr Hangar
$3,000/yr Annual

Gee, I can't understand why there's a pilot shortage.