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Cyio 06-11-2022 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Crockrocket95 (Post 3438299)
I hope it happens.

It’s a done deal. Official announcement today I believe.

Beech Dude 06-11-2022 05:46 AM

So cadet program, Envoy FO, 2 yr upgrade, flow in 5 or 6, and then take a 100K pay cut to be a mainline FO? Then work another 5ish yrs to get back to what you were making at Envoy? I'm confused.

DeltaboundRedux 06-11-2022 06:01 AM

Just so I understand:

Envoy negotiated a pay raise with a sunset provision?

Seems like the smart money in a record hiring environment would be to leave as soon as possible to get on with the major of your choice asap anyway (seniority, better overall earning potential, job stability, etc)

If you’re at Envoy and sixty years old, or don’t want to leave for other non-pay related reasons, this is ok, I guess.

But it’s not going to stem the flow of pilots leaving for greener pastures the second they’re able. Maybe drum up some new entrants for a bit, but even those will leave as quickly as possible.

PotatoChip 06-11-2022 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3438401)
Just so I understand:

Envoy negotiated a pay raise with a sunset provision?

Seems like the smart money in a record hiring environment would be to leave as soon as possible to get on with the major of your choice asap anyway (seniority, better overall earning potential, job stability, etc)

If you’re at Envoy and sixty years old, or don’t want to leave for other non-pay related reasons, this is ok, I guess.

But it’s not going to stem the flow of pilots leaving for greener pastures the second they’re able. Maybe drum up some new entrants for a bit, but even those will leave as quickly as possible.


It will, because pilots are stupid.
They won’t be able to afford the pay cut.
And more and more of them will justify staying.

rickair7777 06-11-2022 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3438401)

Envoy negotiated a pay raise with a sunset provision?

Yup, devil is in the details as always.


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3438401)
Seems like the smart money in a record hiring environment would be to leave as soon as possible to get on with the major of your choice asap anyway (seniority, better overall earning potential, job stability, etc)

If you’re at Envoy and sixty years old, or don’t want to leave for other non-pay related reasons, this is ok, I guess.

But it’s not going to stem the flow of pilots leaving for greener pastures the second they’re able. Maybe drum up some new entrants for a bit, but even those will leave as quickly as possible.

Yup. Cash on the barrel does make a difference, for some people and with enough cash, but most pilots are smart enough to take a longer-term view (nature of the profession). But if you're young and legacy bound it's very attractive way to get fast PIC at excellent pay rates... so good recruiting move.

idlethrust 06-11-2022 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3438353)

Why just Envoy ? What about the other two WO’s??

RadialRover 06-11-2022 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3438593)
Why just Envoy ? What about the other two WO’s??

Robert don’t-spend-any-more-than-i-want-to Isom probably figured he just has to slow the bleeding just enough and if he can do it by only paying a fraction of the pilot group, why not? Strike a deal with one. Wait, see if the correction takes effect.

CRJphlyer 06-11-2022 01:14 PM

All 3 will end up with something similar.

EWRflyr 06-11-2022 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3438593)
Why just Envoy ? What about the other two WO’s??

PDT negotiated similar rates.

EWRflyr 06-11-2022 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3438273)
No. This is real.

And after year 5 you're on year 20 pay until your flow date.


That's right, 213/hr year 6 at a regional.

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These pay rates are only temporary for 2 years. Are you sure the $213 rate you are talking about applies after that two years? Year 20 at the normal new pay rates will be $142.50.


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